What point is that?
This is correct, but why would that transition need to happen in ambulocetus? The answer is, it doesn't.
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It makes no difference at all whether or not dogs existed back then, it could be any species of animal from any time. When they breed as dogs are bred today, they make animals with similarities that can be laid side by side and claimed one evolved from the other. Sure, there may not be as many breeds/types in the fossil record as there are dogs that were bred purposely and often today, but nature will interbreed.
Take your picture here for instance, what's to stop those "transitionals" from being slightly different variations due to breeding that all lived in the same time period? Or even flukes, for instance how a midget might be born out of the blue...are they going to take those fossils and put them up against those of a small man, a normal size man and a large man and say they are transitional/one evolved from the other, when that is absolutely not the case?
Explain to me how that isn't exactly what they are doing?
Fact or supposition?
Well, I guess we simply disagree on the subject. My apologies if I wasted your time. It was not my intention. God bless.If this is what it is truly about, concern that Jesus descended from a fish, then you should just say that up front. You should not attempt to talk poorly of other peoples work to get there, at least if you aren't familiar with it.
I love Christ, with all my heart. And I simultaneously work hard as a geologist. And in that, I am always, finding fossils and cross checking them with what is commonly known as the fossil succession. It is a real thing, and it pains me that my own brothers and sisters in Christ, oppose my work. Even in scenarios where they have never seen it. And I know the same goes for biologists and archaeologists and astronomers. If you do not walk in our shoes, you truly can only see the tip of the iceberg. And its hard to explain just how much is known, collectively in science, because its just so much information that it honestly takes years to gather.
Sometimes I have trouble trying to describe this to my wife, and I see her every day. There is just so much depth that we talk and talk and talk, and she still is only at the tip of the iceberg.
regardless,
This shouldn't be a discussion about God, because God, as our creator stands above it all. People are afraid to view the true beauty in His creation, out of fear that it opposes Him.
It is tough, because we grew up, being told certain things about how creation occurred. But if you saw Gods creation, and you studied it with your own hands and eyes and nose and tongue (rocks don't make much noise so I wont say ears), I believe most of those who doubt, would find something infinitely more beautiful than their original vague and unclear views of how creation unfolded.
It is a real thing, and it pains me that my own brothers and sisters in Christ, oppose my work.
This is absolutely taken into consideration. For example, take the comparison of torosaurus and triceratops. Currently, people are unsure of if the two are the same species (maybe ones male and the others female? Maybe one is old while the other young?) or if theyre different.
The difference though between torosaurus and triceratops and say...a fish and a mammal, is that the fossil succession...
well firstly, when you find a fossil, you cant just stick it anywhere you like in a succession. Because if you do that, people are going to come after you (true story, it happens). Your fossil succession is truly grounded in a geologic succession. It is the geology that defines the sequence. And anyone here is free to challenge that if they would like to, I am here to speak on that as well if people want to.
But anyway...
Beyond being grounded in geology (which isn't the case with dogs), the fossil succession spans a far greater morphological span, than anything seen in dogs. The fossil succession encompasses everything from worms, all the way to complex mammals and birds. Dogs, if they were to all be buried and fossilized, would only span...dogs. Big dogs, little dogs. A dog can only be bred so differently from a previous dog, before it becomes a non dog. The fossil succession spans genus and order and family etc. It spans great morphological changes that are far greater than anything seen in dogs. This is because dogs have only been bred for a handful of generations. Whereas complex life on earth has been "bred" for hundreds of millions of years.
Sorry for repeating myself in that last paragraph, just trying to be clear.
The one in need of prayers is the one saying that Jesus came from a fish and not the one who believes what the Bible tells us. So don't waste prayers on me. Instead I suggest prayer for the one or those who really need it so that they see that such a teaching, which blatantly contradicts the Bible and would make our Lord and Savior a descendent of a beast, is a blasphemy.
Only now, we have the majority, by far. And perhaps it is the other side of the table, that needs self reflection.
Or perhaps it's near the end of this era and what you teach is part of the falling away, and those you say need reflection, are the ones who were immovable, and held on to the actual truth.
What you say is a kin to telling those who refuse to, for instance, live in fornication, that they need to wake up and get with the program. The easing us into believing that's ok to do, started with the same resistance you mention, and now it has been made acceptable, just as you mention.
Because something has been pushed into being ok over time, is not a defense that something is ok, it only means if pushed at us hard enough and long enough, some people will give in, especially when it's something they want to believe.
Accepting science, is not akin to sexual immorality.
It's scientists that use dishonest twists like that, that concern me. They can make anything out to be anything they want and they often do.
What do you mean "accepting science", science has nothing to accept. The term science that might make something sound somehow important or irrefutable to some, is no more than opinion/conclusions of people. So in reality, you aren't accepting science but what people claim things in the natural world mean.
Instead I suggest prayer for the one or those who really need it so that they see that such a teaching, which blatantly contradicts the Bible ...........
...which blatantly contradicts the Bible and would make our Lord and Savior a descendent of a beast, is a blasphemy.
They can make anything out to be anything they want and they often do.
Lets "bold" the complete thought in this text that you lean so heavily on, shall we?Sorry, but I must deny your formal request which includes a false accusation against me. I've told you before that I use the KJV since it is less altered and paraphrased that your version. I also posted Gen 1:21 from the KJV which obviously prompted your disagreement. Here it is again:
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.
As everyone can now see, it's not me being dishonest as you posted.
The point he is making has nothing to do with there being fossils of all the different types of dogs.What point is that?
Lets "bold" the complete thought in this text that you lean so heavily on, shall we?
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after Their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.
So, now we see what every living creature the writer is talking about... every living creature which is in the waters.
This passage is talking about the living things in the waters.
The text "which the waters brought forth abundantly" describes the previous text "every living creature that moveth"
It places the "every living creature" in the water.
It precedes and does not involve the land animals.
Not so, since God (Trinity) created every living creature that moveth from WATER and some according to His (Jesus) kinds which were NOT made until the next day from the ground. Gen 2:19 It's because God can see the end from the beginning:
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure:
You don't seem to understand that last year Scientists discovered the SAME thing when they found that the last universal common ancestor had its origin in WATER.. in total agreement with what God told us 3k years ago in Genesis. God the Trinity made the creatures from water according the His (Jesus) kinds so that they could produce offspring with each other. Their (Trinity) kinds and His (Jesus) kinds can have children together. God Bless you