Turkish Schools to Stop Teaching Evolution

[essentialsaltes]

Evolution will no longer be taught in Turkish schools, a senior education official has said, in a move likely to raise the ire of the country’s secular opposition.

Alpaslan Durmuş, who chairs the board of education, said evolution was debatable, controversial and too complicated for students.

There is little acceptance of evolution as a concept among mainstream Muslim clerics in the Middle East, who believe it contradicts the story of creation in scripture, in which God breathed life into the first man, Adam, after shaping him from clay. Still, evolution is briefly taught in many high school biology courses in the region.

 

[Aman777]

Evolution will no longer be taught in Turkish schools, a senior education official has said, in a move likely to raise the ire of the country’s secular opposition.

Alpaslan Durmuş, who chairs the board of education, said evolution was debatable, controversial and too complicated for students.

There is little acceptance of evolution as a concept among mainstream Muslim clerics in the Middle East, who believe it contradicts the story of creation in scripture, in which God breathed life into the first man, Adam, after shaping him from clay. Still, evolution is briefly taught in many high school biology courses in the region.

People should learn that descent with modification within His and Their kinds is the same thing as evolution. Evolution should learn that it is based on false assumptions of men who rejected God's Truth concerning Adam. Since only the descendants of Adam have inherited his superior intelligence, which is like God's, Gen 3:22, and prehistoric people, who descended from Water on the present Earth did NOT inherit Adam's superior intelligence, thus they were NOT Humans. Science should correct it's false teaching.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Alpaslan Durmuş, who chairs the board of education, said evolution was debatable, controversial and too complicated for students.

Evolution is such a joke it's hardly even debatable IMO.

Glad someone has come to their senses.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Evolution is such a joke it's hardly even debatable IMO.

Glad someone has come to their senses.

The above denial of evolution was written by a human with ear wiggling muscles, which most humans cannot even use; they are left over vestiges from a previous species that could actually turn its ears towards sound.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Evolution will no longer be taught in Turkish schools, a senior education official has said, in a move likely to raise the ire of the country’s secular opposition.

Alpaslan Durmuş, who chairs the board of education, said evolution was debatable, controversial and too complicated for students.

There is little acceptance of evolution as a concept among mainstream Muslim clerics in the Middle East, who believe it contradicts the story of creation in scripture, in which God breathed life into the first man, Adam, after shaping him from clay. Still, evolution is briefly taught in many high school biology courses in the region.

Proof that the spiritually blind can find religious reasons for denying evolution.

 

[Kenny'sID]

The above denial of evolution was written by a human with ear wiggling muscles, which most humans cannot even use; they are left over vestiges from a previous species that could actually turn its ears towards sound.

And?

Yes, I wan to hear you actually say it.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Proof that the spiritually blind can find religious reasons for denying evolution.

That was never in doubt. We see it here all the time. Indeed, the Turkish minister alludes to the exact same religious reason as the anti-evolutionists here.

 

[dad]

Evolution will no longer be taught in Turkish schools, a senior education official has said, in a move likely to raise the ire of the country’s secular opposition.

Alpaslan Durmuş, who chairs the board of education, said evolution was debatable, controversial and too complicated for students.

There is little acceptance of evolution as a concept among mainstream Muslim clerics in the Middle East, who believe it contradicts the story of creation in scripture, in which God breathed life into the first man, Adam, after shaping him from clay. Still, evolution is briefly taught in many high school biology courses in the region.

In some ways Muslims are ahead of the fallen west I guess.

 

[Allandavid]

Evolution is such a joke it's hardly even debatable IMO.

Glad someone has come to their senses.

Come to their senses? You do realise that these people reject evolution because it is incompatible with the Islamic creation myth that they embrace...? All fine with that, are we...? 'Enemy of my enemy' stuff...?

 

[Allandavid]

The above denial of evolution was written by a human with ear wiggling muscles, which most humans cannot even use; they are left over vestiges from a previous species that could actually turn its ears towards sound.

And a human whose genome contains ancient retroviral insertions in EXACTLY the same location as his chimpanzee cousin...

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

And a human whose genome contains ancient retroviral insertions in EXACTLY the same location as his chimpanzee cousin...

Oh, we've got LOTS of things like that, don't we!

 

[Allandavid]

Oh, we've got LOTS of things like that, don't we!

 

[Kenny'sID]

Come to their senses? You do realise that these people reject evolution because it is incompatible with the Islamic creation myth that they embrace...? All fine with that, are we...? 'Enemy of my enemy' stuff...?

A denial of the ridiculous is always good sense, no matter how you slice it. Even if you try to slice it in such a way that pretends I'm supporting something terrible.

I meant one thing and one thing only, but have fun with that if you like.

 

[Allandavid]

A denial of the ridiculous is always good sense, no matter how you slice it. Even if you try to slice it in such a way that pretends I'm supporting something terrible.

I meant one thing and one thing only, but have fun with that if you like.

Hahaha....as long as the conclusion matches yours, it doesn't matter how ridiculous the process to arrive at it...? Tell me, do you also believe the Muslims when they claim that Mohammed rode his horse to heaven? After all, they use the same evidentiary process for that one as well...

 

[Kenny'sID]

Hahaha....as long as the conclusion matches yours, it doesn't matter how ridiculous the process to arrive at it...? Tell me, do you also believe the Muslims when they claim that Mohammed rode his horse to heaven? After all, they use the same evidentiary process for that one as well...

Didn't I already answer that first one?

On the horse thing, no idea, haven't looked into it, but are you saying I shouldn't because you don't believe the evedentiary process is valid, or is it OK with you if I believe as I want for my own reasons?

 

[Allandavid]

Didn't I already answer that first one?

On the horse thing, no idea, haven't looked into it, but are you saying I shouldn't because you don't believe the evedentiary process is valid, or is it OK with you if I believe as I want for my own reasons?

Oh, I'm sure you'll believe as you want and for your own reasons.....!!

 

[Kenny'sID]

Oh, I'm sure you'll believe as you want and for your own reasons.....!!

That wasn't what I asked but ok.

Try not to take it too hard that I dissed your evolution.

 

[DogmaHunter]

A denial of the ridiculous is always good sense, no matter how you slice it.

Not really.
Relativity is "ridiculous".
Quantum mechanics is the most "ridiculous" of all.

But denying both means that you will not longer be able to post on this forum - since we won't be able to build computers anymore - and that your GPS will no longer be able to point you in the right direction without getting locations wrong by several miles.

To deny something purely on the basis that you think it is "ridiculous", means that you think that your human intuition has any bearing on what is actually true or not. That you think that you can decide in advance what is sensible and what isn't.

But the fact is that the universe doesn't owe you any "sensibility". The fact is that we humans have no intuitive connection with geological time scales, with traveling at near-light-speeds, with star-like masses, with the micro-scale cosmos of quantum mechanics,...

Our "intuition" is completely geared to living in a universe on a human scale... We deal with speeds that barely have any relativistic effect, we deal with masses in terms of kg's and a few tons at most, we deal with earth-like gravity not with "surface tension",...

Our "intuition" is completely useless once we leave that comfort zone.

Also, as for "ridiculousness"....
It's somehow amazing to me that religious fundamentalists somehow don't find it "ridiculous" that a person can be swallowed by a big fish and live in it for 3 days, that a woman is created from a man's rib, that physically impossible and miraculous floods occur, that the "sun stops in the sky" as a result of blowing trumpets (and that this somehow doesn't result in utter destruction of every living thing), that virgins become pregnant, that the dead get resurrected, etc etc....

But a simple and demonstrable concept like evolution, just blows your mind. Makes no sense to me at all.

If "it's ridiculous" is a proper argument against something as solid as biological evolution, then how could it not be an even better argument against the fantastical claims of religious doctrines?

Even if you try to slice it in such a way that pretends I'm supporting something terrible.

Well, honestly.... you are.
You are not just supporting religious fundamentalism here. That's, imo, not even the most terrible part. The terrible part is the anti-science sentiment. It is the idea that what you "intuitively feel is sensible" or what you believe can override the facts of reality.

That's the terrible part. Not to say, the dangerous part.

I meant one thing and one thing only, but have fun with that if you like.

Your "one thing" has loads of implications.

 

[Kenny'sID]

To deny something purely on the basis that you think it is "ridiculous",

Oh, give me a break, the Atheist does that all the time with God, and I don't hear you giving them that song and dance.

I think evolution is ridiculous for a reason, and you have no reason at all to assume it's the mindless conclusion you pretend. Or is it, if it doesn't agree with you, it's not well thought out? Get over yourself.

The rest of your post? Just more baseless junk.

 

[Chriliman]

Evolution will no longer be taught in Turkish schools, a senior education official has said, in a move likely to raise the ire of the country’s secular opposition.

Alpaslan Durmuş, who chairs the board of education, said evolution was debatable, controversial and too complicated for students.

There is little acceptance of evolution as a concept among mainstream Muslim clerics in the Middle East, who believe it contradicts the story of creation in scripture, in which God breathed life into the first man, Adam, after shaping him from clay. Still, evolution is briefly taught in many high school biology courses in the region.

Evolution doesn't contradict scripture, if anything, it describes how we were made, while scripture focuses on why.