Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[AV1611VET]

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Kings 16:34 - Authorized (King James) Version

Yup.

I was going to post that verse, but decided to use the one in the NT, to show there was a Jericho in Jesus' time.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Your claims, Joshua 19, about archaeology are not accurate. Kenyon spent years at Jericho and concluded it existed and then collapsed way before Joshua came along. No one has yet found one trace of teh Exodus; and many biblical archaeologists are biblical minimalists here, believing it never really happened. The Troy example is a cliché, true. However, it will not help you a bit. In point of actual fact, Schliemann never really did find Troy. He recklessly dug through and looted circa twenty cities. What one was Troy? He arbitrarily said he was in the vicinity Troy. But who really knows? He claimed he had "gazed upon the face of Agamemnon, but there is absolutely no supporting evidence for that. The concept of teh Big Bang really doesn't help much, as it took place about 13.5 billion years ago and so definitely not in 4004BC.

None of this post seems to be accurate ,
and none of it is in line with Scripture.

Is any of the post from any section of some Protestant beliefs ? (noticed you have chosen a Protestant label)

 

[Colter]

Atheists aren't being "insincere" when they say that "faith" is what you use to accept something as correct, when there is no evidence available to accept such rationally.

As you literally said in that post.

Faith is not a pathway to truth.

Love is real like morality is real like faith is real. Atheist who know what love is and know what morality is should at least try to understand that, while they do not yet have faith, others do. We cannot prove what this faith is. Its that simple. Most of these debates on religious forums with decided non-believers leads back to the faith gift. We are telling you it's a real thing and you say its not logical.

You should consider that it's possible that there is something that you do not know.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Love is real like morality is real like faith is real.

Faith is real, in the sense that the phenomena exists.

That's not the issue. The issue is that beliefs based on "faith" are essentially beliefs based on nothing at all, except a "want" to believe.

Faith isn't a proper or valid justification for accepting any claim.

Atheist who know what love is and know what morality is should at least try to understand that, while they do not yet have faith, others do.

I'm well aware that people believe things based on faith. I'm not denying that theists exist. I'm not questioning the existance of faith. I'm questioning the validity, the rationality, thereof.

We are telling you it's a real thing and you say its not logical.

And it is not logical as a foundation for accepting things as true.
I submit that you agree to that for just about any topic, except your religious beliefs.

You wouldn't accept "faith" based "reasoning" for anything else but your religion.
Suppose someone tells you that you have a cancer and when you ask them how they know, they respond with "i believe it on faith". I'm guessing you won't be signing up for a long and painfull chemo-therapy based on that alone. Right? ....right?

You should consider that it's possible that there is something that you do not know.

There's lots of thing that I don't know. But your mere faith-based beliefs don't qualify as "knowledge".

 

[Gene2memE]

Love is real like morality is real like faith is real.

If there were no thinking beings, would any of those things exist?

Was love created at the start of the universe, along with hydrogen, helium, lithium, deuterium and beryllium? Or did love become "real" sometime between then and now?

Was there faith before the earth formed from gravitational attraction?

Before there were beings capable of understanding the consequences of their actions, was there morality?

 

[AV1611VET]

If there were no thinking beings, would any of those things exist?

No.

Was love created at the start of the universe, along with hydrogen, helium, lithium, deuterium and beryllium?

No.

1 John 4:8b ... God is love.

Or did love become "real" sometime between then and now?

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

Was there faith before the earth formed from gravitational attraction?

 

[Colter]

If there were no thinking beings, would any of those things exist?

Was love created at the start of the universe, along with hydrogen, helium, lithium, deuterium and beryllium? Or did love become "real" sometime between then and now?

Was there faith before the earth formed from gravitational attraction?

Before there were beings capable of understanding the consequences of their actions, was there morality?

If there were no signal, a smart phone would be worthless.

* The Love of God is existential. Creation is a consequence of the lovable nature of Deity.

* Its an interesting question, when did faith come into being? I don't know.

* Yes, morality is an inherent reality of a moral deity. Personality comes from deity therefore it is an innate endowment of mind.

 

[lesliedellow]

If there were no thinking beings, would any of those things exist?

Was love created at the start of the universe, along with hydrogen, helium, lithium, deuterium and beryllium? Or did love become "real" sometime between then and now?

Was there faith before the earth formed from gravitational attraction?

Before there were beings capable of understanding the consequences of their actions, was there morality?

Were there atoms before nucleosynthesis? If not, does that make their existence now any less real?

 

[Colter]

Faith is real, in the sense that the phenomena exists.

That's not the issue. The issue is that beliefs based on "faith" are essentially beliefs based on nothing at all, except a "want" to believe.

Faith isn't a proper or valid justification for accepting any claim.



I'm well aware that people believe things based on faith. I'm not denying that theists exist. I'm not questioning the existance of faith. I'm questioning the validity, the rationality, thereof.



And it is not logical as a foundation for accepting things as true.
I submit that you agree to that for just about any topic, except your religious beliefs.

You wouldn't accept "faith" based "reasoning" for anything else but your religion.
Suppose someone tells you that you have a cancer and when you ask them how they know, they respond with "i believe it on faith". I'm guessing you won't be signing up for a long and painfull chemo-therapy based on that alone. Right? ....right?



There's lots of thing that I don't know. But your mere faith-based beliefs don't qualify as "knowledge".

People experience God just like they experience Love. Two people who have experienced Love don't need to provide a dissertation to each other when they use the term. Its up to you to do the work to find God.

A materialist may view the universe as entirely material, a spirit born religionist may view the same universe as entirely spiritual looking at it from the inside out. I do see the universe as the energy manifestation of deity.

Religion is the right arena for faith. Science is the arena for the evaluation of facts.

Jesus could appear to you today, have coffee and then leave. You might then concede the existence of this Jesus guy and begin the search for spiritual truth.....but the experience wouldn't prove the existence of the Universal Father to you as "knowledge" provable to another person. In fact you would be left with many of the same questions about the universe.

 

[Colter]

Even Lucifer lost faith in the Universal Father that he did not know absolutely and turned on the Creator Son that he did know. Not-God ego's can potentially take their own conclusions too seriously.

 

[AV1611VET]

Even Lucifer lost faith in the Universal Father ...

Doesn't sound like it to me.

Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

 

[Colter]

Doesn't sound like it to me.

Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

The most Highs of Edentia
If Lucifer really knew God he would never have rebelled against him.

There are lots of flaws in the Bible which lead to conceptual confusion and theological inconsistency.

 

[AV1611VET]

If Lucifer really knew God he would never have rebelled against him.

He still thinks he can win.

All he has to do is show one thing God said to be in error, and God isn't God.

That's why he has scientists working overtime as the last days approach.

 

[Colter]

He still thinks he can win.

All he has to do is show one thing God said to be in error, and God isn't God.

That's why he has scientists working overtime as the last days approach.

God didn't write the Bible, if he had it wouldn't be so full of errors and inconstancies.

Book worshipers have been telling us its that last days for thousands of years now when it's only superstition that's in it's last days.

 

[AV1611VET]

God didn't write the Bible,

Actually He did.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

... if he had it wouldn't be so full of errors and inconstancies.

Like calling Mary a "virgin"?

 

[HitchSlap]

Actually He did.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.Like

So the bible says god wrote the bible.

 

[Colter]

Actually He did.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.Like calling Mary a "virgin"?

Like the Pagan recollection claiming Joseph wasn't Jesus' biological father. Mary was presumably a virgin before they were married.

 

[HitchSlap]

Like the Pagan recollection claiming Joseph wasn't Jesus' biological father. Mary was presumably a virgin before they were married.

Mary was pregnant when they were married...

 

[Colter]

So the bible says god wrote the bible.

The church has too much pride invested in their own doctrine of inerrancy to concede the obvious errors.