-
Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
-
CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Disprove Calvinist Soteriology
- Thread starter jsarber
- Start date
- Apr 5, 2007
- 144,404
- 27,057
- 57
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Reformed
- Marital Status
- Married
Obviously not.
“Father, glorify Your name." Then a voice came out of heaven: "I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again." So the crowd of people who stood by and heard it were saying that it had thundered; others were saying, "An angel has spoken to Him."”
John 12:28-29 NASB
Just like here.
Upvote
0
Believers who practice live according to the lustful desires of the flesh, will not inherit the kingdom of God.
- 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? Romans 6:15-16
- There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. Romans 8:1
- 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery,fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21
- God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, Romans 2:6-8
- eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality
It also says what will be rendered to those who obey unrighteousness; who do not obey the truth:
- to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath.
JLB
Upvote
0
- Apr 5, 2007
- 144,404
- 27,057
- 57
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Reformed
- Marital Status
- Married
Upvote
0
- Apr 5, 2007
- 144,404
- 27,057
- 57
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Reformed
- Marital Status
- Married
Hearing a voice and understanding what is said are not the same thing. So in scripture, hearing and hearing, much like seeing and seeing, aren't always the same.
Even Jesus said "for him who has ears to hear". He was talking about understanding.
Upvote
0
- Mar 18, 2014
- 38,117
- 34,056
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Christian
- Marital Status
- Married
Upvote
0
RisenInJesus
Well-Known Member
I think in Romans 3:7 Paul is actually using a hypothetical argument that someone might use in order to justify lying and having used this argument he then refutes it, thereby condemning the practice of lying.
Without Augustine there would be no Calvinism, but I see no place where Paul's writings support Calvinism in anyway.
Last edited by a moderator:
Upvote
0
- Apr 5, 2007
- 144,404
- 27,057
- 57
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Reformed
- Marital Status
- Married
It could be safe to say that you've seen the arguments where Calvinists use Paul, but you disagree with them. But to say that there's no place where Paul's writings support Calvinism is just shows ignorance of Reformed theology.
Upvote
0
RisenInJesus
Well-Known Member
Yes, you are right I have seen the arguments where Calvinists use Paul and I do disagree with them because I think the method Calvinists use with Paul's writings, as with all the scriptures, involves taking verses and passages out of context while also redefining the meaning of words to fit Calvinistic/Reformed theology. Therefore I do not believe anything Paul has written supports Calvinism or Reformed theology. You are free to call me ignorant. I have searched out this subject for years. That doesn't make me an expert or anything. I just know and am committed to what God has shown me in His Word above the philosophies and theologies of men.
Upvote
0
EmSw
White Horse Rider
- Apr 26, 2014
- 6,434
- 718
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
He did use hear in both cases...the men with him did hear, and the men with him didn't hear.
You are trying to make 'hear' the difference between telling the truth and lying. It's not. The key words are 'did' and 'didn't'.
Upvote
0
- Apr 5, 2007
- 144,404
- 27,057
- 57
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Reformed
- Marital Status
- Married
Okay. Please show how Paul, in his own words, used "hear" in both cases.
Upvote
0
- Apr 5, 2007
- 144,404
- 27,057
- 57
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Reformed
- Marital Status
- Married
This is your moment. Please show, then, where Paul in one case said did here, and in the other said did not hear. Or whatever you think the different is.
Upvote
0
EmSw
White Horse Rider
- Apr 26, 2014
- 6,434
- 718
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
Really Hammster, you are getting desperate now.
Acts 9:7
And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one.
Acts 22:9
And those who were with me indeed saw the light and were afraid, but they did not hear the voice of Him who spoke to me.
I bet you play your 'calvinist' game by saying Acts 9 does not say 'did'.
At the heart of desperation lives deception.
Upvote
0
EmSw
White Horse Rider
- Apr 26, 2014
- 6,434
- 718
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
Hey Hammster, has Paul become your father?
1 Corinthians 4:15
For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
Or, do you believe Jesus?
Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
Upvote
0
- Apr 5, 2007
- 144,404
- 27,057
- 57
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Reformed
- Marital Status
- Married
I only see one instance where Paul described what happened. Where's the other?
Upvote
0
- Apr 5, 2007
- 144,404
- 27,057
- 57
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Reformed
- Marital Status
- Married
I don't see where Paul said to call him father. So, no.
Upvote
0
EmSw
White Horse Rider
- Apr 26, 2014
- 6,434
- 718
- Country
- United States
- Gender
- Male
- Faith
- Non-Denom
- Marital Status
- Married
Hammster, do you believe Paul in Galatians 5:2?
Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
Why did Paul circumcise Timothy when Christ will profit Timothy nothing?
Acts 16:3
Paul wanted to have him go on with him. And he took him and circumcised him because of the Jews who were in that region, for they all knew that his father was Greek.
Upvote
0
Similar threads
