Jesus' commandments - opposed to His Fathers Commandments? - Really?

[BobRyan]

So will diseased veggies. Remember the tomato recall a few years ago.

True - Lev 11 condemns the eating of clean animals that are diseased and Matt 15 (and Mark 7) are about disputes related to eating wheat products - not about eating rats.

 

[BobRyan]

You're making a big deal out of something not found in the text.

Until you read Lev 11

 

[BobRyan]

Indeed everything is up to God and He is the one that tells us that rats are not "for food" nor is diseased meat. When Moses' readers read the terms "clean" and "unclean" in Genesis 7 -- they had only one place to go find out what that means - and that is Lev 11 where they are told that the rats are not for food.

Again - I would argue that this is hard to refute.

I think what you offer is a biased American opinion.

Until you read Genesis 7 and Lev 11

 

[listed]

John 14:15 "If you love Me KEEP My Commandments"

Who's or what commandments as I've seen asked of you?

And Heb 8:6-10 Jesus is the one that gave the TEN Commandments on Sinai

I don't think anyone can support that claim from the text alone.

 

[BobRyan]

They were on the ark a long time, and babies would have been born. So not a problem about extinction. Rabbits and rodents bare a lot and in a short amount of time. And seeing as the animals were all vegetarian before the flood, they would have been healthy.

Yep if they only ate "one meal" that year.

Clean animals "by sevens" and unclean "by twos" .. extinction for eating even one of the unclean. And the readers would only know the "definition" of clean vs unclean in Gen 7... by reading Lev 11 and seeing that also we are not to eat diseased meat.

As I am sure we both know

Look at post #841 which you answered, so I KNOW you read. And here you are trying to be sarcastic, when I already said you could be right! Shame on you.

Ok - I have added "As I am sure we both know"

 

[BobRyan]

Who's or what commandments as I've seen asked of you?I don't think anyone can support that claim from the text alone.

Until they read Hebrews 8:6-10 and John 14:15 - at which point I think it is clear.

 

[BobRyan]

It is both.

Leviticus 20:24-26

24 But I have said to you, “You shall inherit their land, and I will give it to you to possess, a land flowing with milk and honey.” I am the Lord your God, who has separated you from the peoples. 25 You shall therefore distinguish between clean animals and unclean, between unclean birds and clean, and you shall not make yourselves abominable by beast or by bird, or by any kind of living thing that creeps on the ground, which I have separated from you as unclean. 26 And you shall be holy to Me, for I the Lord am holy, and have separated you from the peoples, that you should be Mine.

This law God, Himself, overturned.

Not in the Bible

 

[listed]

Until you read Lev 11

Sorry to inform you but that covenant has no jurisdiction over the Christian.

 

[BobRyan]

So far the votes are -
11 for Jesus was teaching in perfect harmony with God's TEN Commandments
0 for Jesus was opposing/deleting God's TEN Commandments
1 for Jesus was "editing" God's Ten Commandments
7 For Jesus Commandments are based on LOVE and God's commandments are not.

The "7" in this case seem to be ignoring the Matt 22 statement that ALL the LAW and the prophets are based-on founded-on LOVE God with all your heart (Deut 6:5) and LOVE your neighbor as yourself (Lev 19:18)

 

[BobRyan]

Sorry to inform you but that covenant has no jurisdiction over the Christian.

Two Covenants regarding the SAME LAW of God - in one the Commandments of God are external and condemn "all the world" Romans 3:19-21 -- and in the other the SAME LAW is "established by our faith" Romans 3:31 and is "written on heart and mind" Jeremiah 31:31-33

As we both agree "Bible details matter"

 

[BobRyan]

rats cats dogs bats -- and Peter said 2 times that the meaning is "call no man unclean" and not "eat more diseased meat that is forbidden in Lev 11". As all Bible students will freely admit no matter what they are eating.

Thus it is "still wrong to take God's name in vain" - even for Christians.

As the Baptist Confession of Faith - also affirms

You're making a big deal out of something not found in the text.

Until you read Exodus 20, and Lev 11... and Acts 10-11 etc. the texts referenced in that post.

At this point - stating the obvious.

 

[listed]

Two Covenants regarding the SAME LAW of God - in one the Commandments of God are external and condemn "all the world" Romans 3:19-21 -- and in the other the SAME LAW is "established by our faith" Romans 3:31 and is "written on heart and mind" Jeremiah 31:31-33

As we both agree "Bible details matter"

Those covenant aren't the same. One isn't a continuation of the other.

 

[listed]

rats cats dogs bats -- and Peter said 2 times that the meaning is "call no man unclean" and not "eat more diseased meat that is forbidden in Lev 11". As all Bible students will freely admit no matter what they are eating.

Thus it is "still wrong to take God's name in vain" - even for Christians.

As the Baptist Confession of Faith - also affirms



Until you read Exodus 20, and Lev 11... and Acts 10-11 etc. the texts referenced in that post.

Unless you ignore many verses, you can't establish your false doctrine.

John 10

But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

 

[klutedavid]

Obviously there is no such thing as "the ceremony of not eating diseased meat" -- as we both know.

Hello Bob.

If Leviticus 11 is not ceremonial law, then Leviticus 11 must be moral law?

 

[bloodygrace]

Not true at all - eating diseased meat will still get you sick. Unchanged from the OT. Christ did not die to cleanse diseased meat that God forbids in Lev 11... as we all know.

Jesus' blood did not cleanse rats or diseased meat - they will still get you sick. That is not even remotely the Gospel and not Bible text says "Jesus blood cleanses all foods"

Eating vegetables will often get people sick as well. When you pray over your food you need to believe that God blesses it and makes it nourishing for your body no matter what it is. You have to have faith, Bob!

 

[1stcenturylady]

What did you consult?

Concordance

 

[1stcenturylady]

Yep if they only ate "one meal" that year.

Clean animals "by sevens" and unclean "by twos" .. extinction for eating even one of the unclean. And the readers would only know the "definition" of clean vs unclean in Gen 7... by reading Lev 11 and seeing that also we are not to eat diseased meat.

As I am sure we both know



Ok - I have added "As I am sure we both know"

Not enough

 

[BobRyan]

Hello Bob.

If Leviticus 11 is not ceremonial law, then Leviticus 11 must be moral law?

1 Cor 6 says not to "sin against the body"
1 Cor 3 says that you are the temple of God.
Lev 11 says not to eat diseased meat and rats.

The Bible is consistent.

 

[BobRyan]

rats cats dogs bats -- and Peter said 2 times that the meaning is "call no man unclean" and not "eat more diseased meat that is forbidden in Lev 11". As all Bible students will freely admit no matter what they are eating.

Thus it is "still wrong to take God's name in vain" - even for Christians.

As the Baptist Confession of Faith - also affirms

You're making a big deal out of something not found in the text.

Until you read Exodus 20, and Lev 11... and Acts 10-11 etc. the texts referenced in that post.

At this point - stating the obvious.

Unless you ignore many verses, you can't establish your false doctrine.

You are free to make an actual argument in opposition - or simply ignore the texts I referenced.

You have free will - you can do as you please.

 

[BobRyan]

Eating vegetables will often get people sick as well. When you pray over your food you need to believe that God blesses it and makes it nourishing for your body no matter what it is. You have to have faith, Bob!

Which is not what God said in His word about eating diseased meat and rats. For that instruction from the Word of God - you would have to go to Lev 11.