Comey Memo

[KCfromNC]

If this can be substantiated, big trouble for dandy don and likely impeachment. One question i would have for comey, is why he sat on this for 3 months?

He was hoping Congress would do the right thing on their own?

 

[bhsmte]

He was hoping Congress would do the right thing on their own?

Are you implying he informed congress that trump asked him to back off of flynn?

 

[KCfromNC]

If it is true, and was done in such a way that it was an attempt to obstruct justice

Lots of if there to try and distract from the obvious legal problems this raises for Trump. Seems kinda weird to bring it up, especially coming from a self-professed non-Trump supporter.

Speaking of hypothetical situations, if this was part of an ongoing investigation into Trump Comey was perfectly justified in holding on to it rather than immediately reporting it.

 

[KCfromNC]

Are you implying he informed congress that trump asked him to back off of flynn?

No.

 

[bhsmte]

No.

Ok, well if trump did what is being alleged from this comey memo, i dont think the fbi director should sit around and hope congress would do the right thing when they are not aware of a potential obstruction of justice charge.

 

[bhsmte]

Serious concerns about trumps actions and we need an independent investigation. I am also concerned about comeys actions. Was hs going to sit on this memo as long as trump kept him as director? Now that he got fired, is that why this has been leaked? Lots of questions need answers.

 

[KCfromNC]

Ok, well if trump did what is being alleged from this comey memo, i dont think the fbi director should sit around and hope congress would do the right thing when they are not aware of a potential obstruction of justice charge.

Why do you think Comey was just sitting around? Did you miss his testimony?

 

[NotreDame]

Looks like, "He said, she said".

As Comey himself might say, there's nothing here a decent prosecutor would ever take to court.

Looks like, "He said, she said".

As Comey himself might say, there's nothing here a decent prosecutor would ever take to court.

I know of several "decent prosecutor(s)" who take a factual scenario of "He said, she said" to court.

A few of those cases are child molestation, rape, sexual misconduct, and sexual battery cases. A "He said, she said" scenario is not always a poor case, to be avoided like a leper. Whether a "He said, she said" case is a poor and/or strong case, or something in between the two, is contingent upon several factors.

Some of those factors are the credibility/lack of credibility of the witness and defendant. Prior conduct that can be used to impeach and/or attack the credibility of the witness/defendant is a factor. Prior inconsistent statements and/or inconsistent statements germane to the facts of the case.

The allegation this is a scenario of "He said, she said" is not sufficient to render as accurate the aspersions you cast upon it.

 

[bhsmte]

Why do you think Comey was just sitting around? Did you miss his testimony?

Did he say something in his testimony about the president asking him to back off the flynn investigation?

 

[AirPo]

Serious concerns about trumps actions and we need an independent investigation. I am also concerned about comeys actions. Was hs going to sit on this memo as long as trump kept him as director? Now that he got fired, is that why this has been leaked? Lots of questions need answers.

I assume he would sit on it as long as he would sit on everything else that was part of the investigation. Until it was over.

 

[bhsmte]

I assume he would sit on it as long as he would sit on everything else that was part of the investigation. Until it was over.

You are saying then comey shared his trump conversation with us attorneys, to determine if an obstruction of justice investigtion should commence?

 

[AirPo]

You are saying then comey shared his trump conversation with us attorneys, to determine if an obstruction of justice investigtion should commence?

No, of course not. Please don't tell me what I'm saying.

 

[NotreDame]

Or more likely were accurately reporting that Trump was thinking he could, based on Trump's own words in an interview. The fact that Trump is going to fail at something yet again is no reason not to report him trying. That's especially true in this case, where even an unsuccessful attempt might legitimately be a felony.

I read multiple media reports of "Trump's own words in an interview." I may be mistaken, and if so, then please do not hesitate to correct me with a proper citation, but I did not read any statement made by Trump in which Trump fired Comey because Comey refused to capitulate to Trump's demands regarding the Russian investigation.

So, perhaps Hannah T is correct! The media hastily reached a conclusion in reporting that Trump terminated Comey because Comey would not cease to end the Russian investigation.

 

[NotreDame]

Nothing new to go on? Did you miss the news in the OP? Come on, admit it - you're pulling our leg.

The "news in the OP" is an unsubstantiated report. You are treating the "news in the OP" as established fact. The memo has not been published to the public, the public has not read it, and so far, the source of the reporting is based on the comments of an unidentified subject. That comes perilously close to "nothing new to go on."

Presently, there is nothing more than a media report of a memo existing. The very existence of the memo, and its contents, have not been made public. The very existence of the memo, and its contents, is at this moment based entirely upon an unidentified subject alleging the existence of a memo and alleging what the memo says.

Hannah T certainly displays her sagacity in recommending everyone proceed cautiously, since the memo, alleged to exist, has yet to be disclosed to the wider public or factually demonstrated to exist and in fact say what is alleged the memo says.

 

[Rion]

Ok, well if trump did what is being alleged from this comey memo, i dont think the fbi director should sit around and hope congress would do the right thing when they are not aware of a potential obstruction of justice charge.

From my understanding, it's actually illegal for him to have sat on it.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I already acknowledged that. I also mentioned the sentence that they are talking about? We don't know if it is true, or what context it was said in.

Remember it was the media claiming he fired him to STOP the 'Russia' investigation last week, and yet they know darn well nothing stops the FBI from doing that. It was almost like they were claiming ignorance over how the FBI investigates until the current head told them what they should have known...nothing stops investigations.

The media knows that the investigation wouldn't end. But I wonder if Trump knew. I bet, that's what the media was implying .

 

[bhsmte]

No, of course not. Please don't tell me what I'm saying.

My original point stands then. I am concerned about the allegations that need to be verified about trump and i am concerned as to why word of this memo has leaked now, after 3 months and comey getting canned. Lots of questions to be investigated.

 

[NotreDame]

Comey's ruined himself either way. If it is true, and was done in such a way that it was an attempt to obstruct justice, it will result in criminal charges and disbarment for him, due to 18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361 of the U.S. legal Code. If he instead claims it was just a one-off conversation, then any hope of a case falls apart and he's just seen as a weasel.

If it is true, and was done in such a way that it was an attempt to obstruct justice, it will result in criminal charges and disbarment for him, due to 18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361 of the U.S. legal Code.

Not necessarily. More facts are needed to conclude Comey's conduct violated 18 USC 4.

 

[NotreDame]

From my understanding, it's actually illegal for him to have sat on it.

This isn't correct. The illegality "for him to have sat on it" requires an assumption of an essential fact and that the fact is true, among other things.

 

[bhsmte]

This isn't correct. The illegality "for him to have sat on it" requires an assumption of an essential fact and that the fact is true, among other things.

Lets assume forba moment, that trump did ask comey to back off of the flynn investigation. In your opinion, what would have been the proper response from comey, now having knowledge of this conversation with the president?