Hate Crimes Against Muslims Continue to Rise in 2016

[ximmix]

I've had Muslim friends, most of the time, pretty okay people.
As anyone who knows me will tell you that I've always said the belief doesn't directly make someone bad, if someones bad in their belief, chances are they'd be bad outside of it.

Ok by that standard, do you think you are good or bad..?

 

[Wolfe]

Do you support the muslim people?

I think putting labels on people is a very sneaky way to try and catch someone in a bad position.

I support people.

If you have it in your head to kill someone, I don't support you.
If you preach that it's alright to kill people, I don't support you.

 

[SummerMadness]

It's not opinion.

I see you're Christian, I don't know why you're defending Islam.

Loving the people is different, but hating the idea should be expected.

Just like again, Nazis, not all Nazis are abhorrent people, but the principles of their belief are disgusting.

Wonderful, nothing like someone questioning someone else's Christianity. Given like someone 45, there is absolutely no reason for his Christian supporters to ever question someone else's faith, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or Flying Spaghetti Monster.

 

[Wolfe]

Ok by that standard, do you think you are good or bad..?

Kind of odd an Atheist asking a Christian this, this is usually a set up to share the gospel..

In Gods eyes am I bad? Yes, we all are.

In societies eyes am I bad? The lines are blurred.
We've established I'm a grade a prick, but does that really make me a bad person?
I will, and have on one such occasion, fought for a complete stranger.
To protect.

I'm a martyr, at any moment I'm willing to put my own life down to protect the innocent.

So, you can't really answer this question with any humility.
But as society would tell me, I would say that I'm a pretty good person. I help those in need.

Though if you asked me this a year ago, I would have most definitely have told you no.
I was a criminal, while not really being evil evil, I hurt people, I stole things.

Though me being a White straight Male Christian, I think a lot of youth would probably call me a bad dude.

 

[ximmix]

I'm a martyr, at any moment I'm willing to put my own life down to protect the innocent.

Hmm, doesn't saying you're a martyr kind of ruin it all? I thought a martyr was someone who does something extraordinary for the faith, usually death?

 

[Wolfe]

Hmm, doesn't saying you're a martyr kind of ruin it all? I thought a martyr was someone who does something extraordinary for the faith, usually death?

Aye, traditionally that's what it means.

But my self sacrifice could mean so much to the faith, could inspire others to protect.
Could inspire others to check Christianity out, once more if they already have.

I'd rather die a hero, than die in some bed, too weak to pee on my own.

 

[ximmix]

Aye, traditionally that's what it means.

But my self sacrifice could mean so much to the faith, could inspire others to protect.
Could inspire others to check Christianity out, once more if they already have.

I'd rather die a hero, than die in some bed, too weak to pee on my own.

Hehe, yeah right...

 

[Nithavela]

Ahh, because germany and france accepted those people "fleeing for their lives" and look how well that turned out.

Considering that none of them got shot or blown up by bombs or poisoned with sarin, I'd say it turned out rather well.

 

[Nithavela]

It's not opinion.

I see you're Christian, I don't know why you're defending Islam.

Loving the people is different, but hating the idea should be expected.

Just like again, Nazis, not all Nazis are abhorrent people, but the principles of their belief are disgusting.

OH, I see, you already godwined and lost. My bad.

 

[Wolfe]

OH, I see, you already godwined and lost. My bad.

Nazis are just an example, of someone with a horrible set of ideas.

You saying I lost, only proves that you don't know how to think.
Because if you did, you would see the comparison.

Nazis, killed people.
The ideology, while not being a religion, but rather like the KKK being toxic, is set to kill people.

Islam, Muslims, have killed people.
The religion, commands to kill people.

The support of Nazis is pretty much agreed upon as disgusting.

The support of Islam, is pretty much agreed upon to be expected.

Do you see the flaw here?

 

[Nithavela]

Nazis are just an example, of someone with a horrible set of ideas.

You saying I lost, only proves that you don't know how to think.

No, you lost because you were the first to bring up the Nazis and fullfilled godwins law.

Sorry, them's the rules.

 

[essentialsaltes]

How can you support 2 things, that oppose each other?
Why would you support Muslim ideaology, it calls for the death of homosexuals, and Christians (or any who disbelieve)?

I support not beating Muslims or gay people up.

It's kind of like supporting nazis, sure, nazis are bad people, with bad ideas... But #notallnazis guys #notallnazis.

I support not beating Nazis up. They can even have parades and marches just like gay people and Muslims do.

 

[LoveBeingAMuslimah]

Haven't read the thread but here are my predictions: it'll be denials or blaming us for them. Because I'm nearly certain that 4 pages on such a thread on this forum weren't spent on posting sympathy and acknowledgement of these hate crimes.



Edit after reading: Okay, just 1 person hating on us and failing to recognize hate crimes against Muslims. Better than I expected.

 

[Lyman1969]

Hate crimes in general have been on the rise. Especially against the trans community, apparently. Violence Against the Transgender Community in 2017 | Human Rights Campaign Note that most of them are non-white and MtF.

This trend, along with the uptick in racism against Muslims and Mexicans, coincidentally started after a certain celebrity decided to start playing politician.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

While I agree that Muslims shouldn't be targeted for abuse (physical or otherwise). I do have some issues with the way "hate crime" legislation is structured and enforced.

First off, the laws say one thing, but people enforcing them say another:
The FBI's hate crimes statistics for 1993, which similarly reported 20% of all hate crimes to be committed against white people, prompted Jill Tregor, assistant regional FBI director, to decry it as "an abuse of what the hate crime laws were intended to cover", stating that the white victims of these crimes were employing hate crime laws as a means to further penalize minorities.

Based on that statement, it's pretty clear that the whole purpose of the creation of hate crimes were to over-penalize whites when they commit crimes against minority groups. Basically what Jill is saying is, when white people abuse others, it's because white people are bad and should be punished more...when others abuse white people, white people are bad for wanting the same kinds of laws applied consistently.

Second, I don't like that they cover circumstances of choice the same way they cover circumstances of birth. Why should religion be an thought process for which an attack against someone else carries a heftier sentence. Why should a person attacking a Muslim get a harsher sentence than the Cleveland Indians fan who punched out the Cubs fan last year? Both were cases where the person wasn't like because of an ideology they held...one just happens to be where a person thinks a particular deity is better, where the other is where a person thinks a particular city/team is better. Why is one special?

Lastly, I don't like how much they've watered down the terms "extremism", "radicalism", and "terrorism". It's blatantly obvious that they've watered down the terms with the sole purpose of political correctness so they can pad the stats creatively to make it sound as if "every group does it at the same rate" to counter people who are upset at the fact that certain groups have higher concentrations of large-scale, violent outbursts...

They'll trot out these doctored up statistics where they can say "well, ya know, white power groups and Christian extremists have actually committed more acts of extremism since 9/11 than Muslims".

They conveniently leave out the fact that they're treating an instance of graffiti/vandalism the same as Pulse nightclub for the purposes of reporting.

Sorry, 2 instances of spray painting a swastika isn't "worse" than 1 mass shooting simply because "The number 2 > the number 1". However, that's the way they report these stats for the purposes of political correctness. Both acts are deplorable, both are not equally deplorable.


Again, to clarify, I'm not advocating (nor excusing) any sort of hateful acts against Muslims (even though I'll most likely be accused of that in the posts to follow)...however, once again (like I do in all of these threads), I ask...can we please be adults and just acknowledge that we know why people are a bit extra agitated about Islam (in comparison to other groups) instead of being intentionally naive and saying "gee, I just can't figure out why people are more critical of Islam than other groups...other groups do bad stuff too...hmmm...must be Islamaphobia"...we all know the answer to that question, let's not play dumb.

What people don't realize is that failure to at least acknowledge a problem just creates a more hostile environment where certain, less rational people are going to feel emboldened with the idea that "well, if nobody is going to do anything, I will!"

Progressives seem to have no problems acknowledging this as it pertains to the issue of racism and mistreatment by the police, and there are quite a few parallels. All of the arguments progressives make in defense of Islam are the exact same kinds of arguments the "Blue lives matter" people make when trying to defend the institution of law enforcement after a cop shoots an unarmed black kid. "Most of them would never do this", "you're broad-brushing based on a few bad apples", "you just have prejudice against XYZ", "the media is making it seem worse than what it actually is", etc...

And when an angry young black man lashes out on a police officer over it, progressives (and #BLM supporters) have no problem realizing that, while it was a wrong, foolish act, it was because it was pent up anger and frustration over society's failure to acknowledge a very real problem.

All I ask of people is why can't you use that kind of perceptive reasoning consistently?

 

[Smidlee]

This report came from CARE? The ones in connection with Muslim Brotherhood which the Egyptian government considers a terrorist group?

 

[SummerMadness]

We have a topic on hate crimes against Muslims and people are trying to make this topic about terrorism? Typical.

A: "I can't wait for Oktoberfest later this year!"
B: "Nazism in Germany was such a horrible thing."
A: "Yeah... somehow a German celebration requires us to talk about Nazism."

Apparently terrorism means that we must ignore hate crimes directed at innocent people.

 

[Heissonear]

Aye, but the smart man files his taxes ASAP.
Waiting until may, 5 months after 2016 has ended, seems kinda silly.

How about putting the OP in context to 2015 and 2014 amount of Muslim hate crimes.

In 2016 they continued to increase over previous years. Pretty simply to connect the dots.

If they continue to increase in 2017 than in 2018 the same can be stated, they increased in 2017.

Now, back to the topic than miunderstanding it.

We did have a serious increase in the number of refugees, circumstantially with choas in Syria, Iran, Northern Africa, and the like. Fleeing from war sites and communities of mean ruthless extremist was a need for many.

The issue is how to fairly enter other countries. And the misfortune that evil extremists went with fleeing groups to spread their hate upon others in modern society.

What a shame. What a predicament.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Considering that none of them got shot or blown up by bombs or poisoned with sarin, I'd say it turned out rather well.

That's a rather low standard isn't it?

 

[essentialsaltes]

however, once again (like I do in all of these threads), I ask...can we please be adults and just acknowledge that we know why people are a bit extra agitated about Islam (in comparison to other groups)

Sure, I'm happy to be an adult in the room, but I still don't want people to beat Muslims up.