The 3 Beasts of Revelation 13.

[ewq1938]

The World will not worship a "mountain" who was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies

Doesn't change the fact that a mountain is a region of the worldwide government and it is that which receives a wound, not a person.

 

[Riberra]

Doesn't change the fact that a mountain is a region of the worldwide government and it is that which receives a wound, not a person.

Are you joking ?

 

[ewq1938]

Are you joking ?

Nope.

 

[Riberra]

Nope.

Seriously?A region need an administrator ...If a mountain represent a region then that region have someone in charge of it .

 

[ewq1938]

 

[ewq1938]

Seriously?A region need an administrator ...If a mountain represent a region then that region have someone in charge of it .

There are ten kings and kingdoms within this 7 regions but it is not a king/horn that is wounded. Only one of the 7 regions is wounded which could be one kingdom or more since there are 10 horns on the 7 heads.

 

[Douggg]

There are ten kings and kingdoms within this 7 regions but it is not a king/horn that is wounded. Only one of the 7 regions is wounded which could be one kingdom or more since there are 10 horns on the 7 heads.

It is not ten kingdoms - but one kingdom the ten end times kings are part of - because it says in Revelation 17, they give their kingdom to the beast.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

The text says and there are 7 kings - not 7 regions. The connection is that the 7 kings are associated with the location where the woman sits. And one of those kings, the sixth, associated with the location where the woman sits was ruling at the time of John. That location is Rome.

The 7 kings are associated with Rome. And they are sequential and are a group. The Julio-Claudians are the only fit. It is only the 7th king in that series who is still future.

He will come up among the ten end times kings, he himself being an end times king - the little horn of Daniel 7. And will ultimately transform into the beast in Revelation 13

 

[ewq1938]

It is not ten kingdoms - but one kingdom the ten end times kings are part of - because it says in Revelation 17, they give their kingdom to the beast.

Rev 17 says this as well:

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


They receive kingdoms from the beast.

 

[Douggg]

Rev 17 says this as well:

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


They receive kingdoms from the beast.

It's not saying anything about "kingdoms". It is kingdom singular in Revelation 17:12 and in Daniel 7:23-24.

In Daniel 7, of the ten kings...


23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.


If you will notice there are no crowns on the beast in Revelation 17, on either the heads nor horns. That is because Revelation 17 is the statue of the beast at the time of John, 1st century, and the fulfillment of the seven kings (the completion of) and the ten kings is end times.

 

[ewq1938]

It's not saying anything about "kingdoms". It is kingdom singular in Revelation 17:12 and in Daniel 7:23-24.

It's a union of kingdoms forming one global empire. Giving their kingdoms to the beast doesn't mean they cease to exist as ten unique kingdoms. It's like saying the USA is one large state rather than 50 states forming one union/country.

It's the same for the 1st beast which covers 7 regions and is composed of ten kingdoms/kings. The AC will be the "president" of these ten kingdoms...a false "king of kings" if you will.

 

[Douggg]

It's a union of kingdoms forming one global empire. Giving their kingdoms to the beast doesn't mean they cease to exist as ten unique kingdoms. It's like saying the USA is one large state rather than 50 states forming one union/country.

It's the same for the 1st beast which covers 7 regions and is composed of ten kingdoms/kings. The AC will be the "president" of these ten kingdoms...a false "king of kings" if you will.

The problem with the global empire theory is that toward the end of the beast's rule, in Daniel 11 - the kings of the north, the south, the east attack him. So it cannot be that his own kingdom is attacking itself.

The fourth kingdom will become the dominant kingdom in the world, and in that way will rule over the entire world. The EU, allied with the U.S. in a post Gog/Magog setting certainly will have that kind of clout.

 

[ewq1938]

The problem with the global empire theory is that toward the end of the beast's rule, in Daniel 11 - the kings of the north, the south, the east attack him. So it cannot be that his own kingdom is attacking itself.

Why do you think that "can't" happen? Ever read this:

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.


At the end this whole thing falls apart.

 

[Douggg]

Why do you think that "can't" happen? Ever read this:

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.


At the end this whole thing falls apart.

I am not understanding your logic. Take a look at Brexit. The world is not going to unite as one kingdom. The EU is going under transformation into that ten king (leader) form of government.

What does Revelation 17:16 have to do with your point?

In EU fourth kingdom thinking, the woman the Vatican associated with Rome will be burnt to ground because it will be an impediment to the beast's claim of being God, and the beast being against Jesus - which for all it's faults the RCC associates itself with Jesus.

 

[ewq1938]

I am not understanding your logic. Take a look at Brexit. The world is not going to unite as one kingdom.

Brexit doesn't mean anything. The AC will rule the whole world and he will be aided by then ten kings and kingdoms.

 

[Riberra]

There are ten kings and kingdoms within this 7 regions

10 Regions from the beginning through the End...
Revelation 17:16
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

but it is not a king/horn that is wounded. Only one of the 7 regions is wounded which could be one kingdom or more since there are 10 horns on the 7 heads.

Revelation 13:1-2 tell us about the administravive structure of that prophesied -yet to happen- Worldwide Government Beast system [Kingdom].

The 7 heads [one of them is the little horn ]are the true leaders [the shadow Government -of- the Satanic hierarchy]

The 10 horns are only the administrators of the ten regions ...they have received no kingdom as of yet....

 

[ewq1938]

The 7 heads [one of them is the little horn ]are the true leaders [the shadow Government -of- the Satanic hierarchy]

The 7 heads are not 7 people.

The 10 horns are only the administrators of the ten regions ...they have received no kingdom as of yet....

No, they are not "administrators" they are kings during the time the beast system reigns. Kings are kings, powerful people who are in charge of their kingdoms. They only serve under the AC, no one else.

 

[Riberra]

The 7 heads are not 7 people.




No, they are not "administrators" they are kings during the time the beast system reigns. Kings are kings, powerful people who are in charge of their kingdoms. They only serve under the AC, no one else.

They will receive the title of KINGS only for ONE HOUR
Revelation 17
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the harlot, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

 

[ewq1938]

They will receive the title of KINGS only for ONE HOUR

I obviously already know that having said, "they are kings during the time the beast system reigns".

 

[Riberra]

I obviously already know that having said, "they are kings during the time the beast system reigns".

When they will have given all their powers unto the Little Horn/Beast they will only play the role of administrators .....because at that moment the Little Horn/Beast will have received the full Kingdom from the hands of them...and -he- will reign 42 months as supreme dictator ....

 

[ewq1938]

When they will have given all their powers unto the Little Horn/Beast they will only play the role of administrators

The problem with that is that Rev calls them kings which means they are not lowly
"administrators".

What good is it to believe something if it doesn't match what the bible says?

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.


G935
βασιλεύς
basileus
bas-il-yooce'
Probably from G939 (through the notion of a foundation of power); a sovereign (abstractly, relatively or figuratively): - king.

Jesus is called the same word:

Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.