How come good Friday is only two days from Easter Sunday?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If you don't like what the scriptures have to say, that's on you. They sat down to the passover meal. Like I said, if Jesus didn't eat, it was because he abstained, not because there wasn't a roasted lamb on the table. The real point is the date, not what he ate. It was the night of the passover. It was the 14th/15th. You can debate the plain scriptures all you want.

Yet that was already AFTER the lambs were sacrificed.

 

[AFrazier]

Yet that was already AFTER the lambs were sacrificed.

Correct. Because the afternoon leading up to the last supper was "the first day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed."

This isn't rocket science. The afternoon leading up to the last supper was the 14th day of the month. Peter and John went and made ready the passover.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Which thing? That they held a passover observance with no lamb? What did Peter and John "make ready" then? Don't be petty.

I'm not being petty. He was teaching them that when they DO this, it will be a remembrance of what was about to happen.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Correct. Because the afternoon leading up to the last supper was "the first day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed."

This isn't rocket science. The afternoon leading up to the last supper was the 14th day of the month. Peter and John went and made ready the passover.

I understand what you are trying to say and I am saying it is wrong. Are you saying Yeshua was NOT the Passover lamb?

 

[AFrazier]

I'm not being petty. He was teaching them that when they DO this, it will be a remembrance of what was about to happen.

But it was still the night following the "first day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed." What he was teaching them is not the point.

What date is the first day of unleavened bread?

What date is the passover killed on?

 

[AFrazier]

I understand what you are trying to say and I am saying it is wrong. Are you saying Yeshua was NOT the Passover lamb?

Not at all. But I am saying that whether he was the passover lamb or not, he was still crucified on the 15th. It's not about the specifics. It's about the act. He didn't die on the 14th. But neither was he in his first year. He was also the scapegoat throughout the scenario, if you've ever happened to notice. He and Barabbas were offered up to be chosen over. Christ became the scapegoat and was led out of the town with the sins of the people. That didn't happen on the Day of Atonement. But he was the scapegoat nonetheless.

I can't emphasize this enough ... theology can't decide the factual dates.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Mark 15:42 also says it was the preparation day, Friday, when He was killed so it could not be ULB.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

He was also the scapegoat throughout the scenario, if you've ever happened to notice. He and Barabbas were offered up to be chosen over. Christ became the scapegoat and was led out of the town with the sins of the people. That didn't happen on the Day of Atonement. But he was the scapegoat nonetheless.

Yes, I have noticed that before. However, BarAbbas was the one let go, while Yeshua was killed.

 

[AFrazier]

Mark 15:42 also says it was the preparation day, Friday, when He was killed so it could not be ULB.

I'm not following your logic here. The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread can fall on the Preparation. What are you trying to say here?

 

[AFrazier]

Yes, I have noticed that before. However, BarAbbas was the one let go, while Yeshua was killed.

Yes, led out into the wilderness with the sins of the people upon his head. The priests even used to tie a scarlet cord around its horns, just as Christ wore a crown of thorns and had a crimson cord of blood.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I'm not following your logic here. The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread can fall on the Preparation. What are you trying to say here?

It was the evening (beginning of the 14th), the day the lambs and Yeshua were killed. That is not the 1st day of ULB...
So you think the 15th was on Friday, the 16th the Sabbath and the 17th on Sunday (resurrection)?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yes, led out into the wilderness with the sins of the people upon his head. The priests even used to tie a scarlet cord around its horns, just as Christ wore a crown of thorns and had a crimson cord of blood.

Yeshua would have had to have been a symbol of BOTH goats...

 

[AFrazier]

It was the evening (beginning of the 14th), the day the lambs and Yeshua were killed. That is not the 1st day of ULB...
So you think the 15th was on Friday, the 16th the Sabbath and the 17th on Sunday (resurrection)?

Okay, now I see where the confusion is.

There are the days when leaven can't be seen or possessed, and there is the feast of unleavened bread. The first day when leavened bread could not be possessed or consumed was the 14th. It had to be destroyed before the passover was sacrificed. Ergo, it was the first day of unleavened bread, but not the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

And it was the afternoon of the 14th when the disciples were sent to make ready the passover. It wasn't lawful to kill or prepare it on the 13th. Jesus died the next day. So, yes, he died on the 15th. The Sabbath, which was a high day, was the 16th and the waving of the sheaf, or first fruits. And Sunday was the 17th.

You're also still insisting that Jesus died with the passover sacrifices. I don't know how many different ways to say that your theological interpretation can't dictate the factual events. It happened when it happened. He died on the 15th according to the testimony of three gospels.

 

[AFrazier]

Yeshua would have had to have been a symbol of BOTH goats...

Honestly, I see the parallel in the scenario, but I haven't spent too much time figuring out too many of the particulars. It's on the agenda, but not relevant to my present research or studies. By all means, take a look at it and see what you can figure out about the parallel.

 

[AFrazier]

It is worth noting that both goats die. One is led out into the wilderness. The other is killed. It could be that Barabbas represented the Jews, who died in Jerusalem for their apostasy.

I don't know. Like I said, I haven't looked into the specifics. But I know there's a parallel there.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I haven't said that he ate the last supper following the day of the 13th. He ate it following the afternoon of the 14th. As you say, the lamb was killed on the 14th, and that's the day Mark and Luke both say it was. It was the day when the passover must be killed. That's the 14th. So two disciples went and made ready the passover. When evening came, Jesus arrived with the rest of the disciples and they kept the passover, just as Jesus had said he would in his message to the goodman of the house.

ἀμὴν λέγω ὑμῖν ὅτι οὐκέτι οὐ μὴ πίω
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more

ἐκ τοῦ γεν(ν)ήματος τῆς ἀμπέλου ἕως τῆς ἡμέρας ἐκείνης
of the fruit of the vine until that day

ὅταν αὐτὸ πίνω καινὸν ἐν τῇ βασιλείᾳ τοῦ Θεοῦ.
that I drink it new in the Kingdom of God.

<<I haven't said that he ate the last supper following the day of the 13th. He ate it following the afternoon of the 14th.>>

So you say that He ate the Last Supper following the day of the 14th, <following>—after— <<the afternoon of the 14th>>. Well, the day <<following the afternoon of the 14th>>, is the 15th. So you have said He ate the Last Supper on the fifteenth day.

<<the lamb was killed on the 14th, and that's the day Mark and Luke both say it was. It was the day when the passover must be killed. That's the 14th. So two disciples went and made ready the passover. When evening came, Jesus arrived with the rest of the disciples and they kept the passover>> So again you say He ate the Last Supper on the fifteenth day.

In post #849 you said, <<Matthew, Mark and Luke say that Jesus was eating the Last Supper on the 14th.>>

In post #830 you said, <<I've already demonstrated beyond any reasonable argument that he died on the 15th, not the 14th.>>

In post #808 you said, <<Day 6 - The next day was the 14th day of Nisan. Jesus sent two disciples to prepare the Passover. It was the first day of unleavened bread, when the Passover was slain.[11] He ate his Last Supper and was later arrested that same night.[12]>>

In post #668, you said, <<It is a plain fact that you will never find a way to harmonize Matthew, Mark and Luke with a Nisan 13th Last Supper or a Nisan 14th crucifixion.>>

How can I not understand what you are saying? I fully understand.

I will never agree with you. Thank God I don’t have to.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

It is worth noting that both goats die. One is led out into the wilderness. The other is killed. It could be that Barabbas represented the Jews, who died in Jerusalem for their apostasy.

I don't know. Like I said, I haven't looked into the specifics. But I know there's a parallel there.

No, that goat was used as a sacrifice in the Temple because of the uncleanness and rebellion of the Israelites, whatever their sins have been and its blood was sprinkled on the ark of the covenant.

 

[AFrazier]

No, that goat was used as a sacrifice in the Temple because of the uncleanness and rebellion of the Israelites, whatever their sins have been and its blood was sprinkled on the ark of the covenant.

Right ... because of the uncleanness and rebellion of the Israelites. That's essentially what I said. So the "goat" that remained in Jerusalem was possibly representative of Israel, who later suffered under the Roman siege and was eventually pushed out of Judea altogether, and scattered to the four corners of the earth as God promised if they continued in their disobedience.

 

[ImAHebrew]

Go back and find your original post, and then scroll down. I read it. And prodromos and I both responded to it. I don't recall if you answered back and argued with our responses or if you kept your peace. But we both answered you.

Shalom AFrazier, the post I originally made (Post 441) is linked in this last post that you responded to. Why don't you produce a post # after 441, that is in response to it. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

P.S. Now, I could be wrong, and I hate to be wrong, but I did search well over 100 posts after my post.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The Sabbath, which was a high day, was the 16th and the waving of the sheaf, or first fruits. And Sunday was the 17th.

No, the sheaf was waved on "the morrow AFTER the Sabbath" which for both our scenarios was on Yom HaBikkurim, on Sunday.