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the self replicating watch argument
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? Don't "speculate broadly" give an actual example to prove your assertion or their assertion
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Just because something is unfalsifiable does not make it false just unavailable to be examined according to the scientific method (like some unified whole exhibiting complex interdependent functionality in the component parts as arising by purely natural means).
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While it is true that asserting anything does not make it true, the assertion is that when an observer comes to observe any unified whole exhibiting complex inter-dependent functionality in the component parts it is equally plausible that one could conclude a maker OR that it has arisen by natural causes.
It is my opinion that it is more likely that it that it has a maker. Try not to equivocate the two. The first is an assertion the second an interpretation of that which can be observed.
Now revisit the "assertion" and tell me if you agree or disagree and why....
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You have no idea how refreshing your comments are--after dealing with ID people who assert that functional complexity is incontrovertible evidence of design and are belligerent to anyone who disagrees with them.
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Can someone show me a real example of a self-replicating motor that doesn't need a designer?
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Thank you! Yes, they are as ignorantly belligerent as those of the other extreme that refuse to admit the alternate plausibility. Extremists in general cause all disagreement, disention, war, and so on...an open mind strives to remain non-dogmatic and allows objective consideration of other points of view or interpretation of the same data. It remains open to possibility until an issue is either PROVEN true or false.
You exhibit this same quality. This does not mean open minded people agree on everything just that they can agree to disagree in a civil manner without ad hominem like implications.
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Again, Can someone show me a real example of a self-replicating motor that doesn't need a designer?
Come on Bear...you were implying this is possible...show me!
Come on Bear...you were implying this is possible...show me!
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Yes and may have required a designer who made sure this was encoded into the genetic material
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