Jesus' commandments - opposed to His Fathers Commandments? - Really?

[1stcenturylady]

Did I ask about walking in the Spirit? (no)

let's start over, just you and me without referring to Bob Ryan's post of four pages ago. What do you want to know.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Correct.
And if you had answered the question , the first post I made about that, it would probably be all cleared up long before now.

#683

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Don't you see that if you walk in the Spirit you won't be breaking ANY moral commandment, even if you'd never memorized the OT commandments?

As you posted later, you memorized the commandments.
(I did also, btw. A good and helpful practice according to God's Word, although DOing the commandments is what a man is justified by, not hearing them) .

What language did you memorize the commandments in?
English? (normal positive expectation)

 

[1stcenturylady]

As you posted later, you memorized the commandments.
(I did also, btw. A good and helpful practice according to God's Word, although DOing the commandments is what a man is justified by, not hearing them) .

What language did you memorize the commandments in?
English? (normal positive expectation)

Yes, I specified (KJV). Possibly the KJV is in other languages as well as English.

We also learned the books of the Bible. (the list) as a child.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes, I specified (KJV). Possibly the KJV is in other languages as well as English.

We also learned the books of the Bible. (the list) as a child.

Yes , when I was young, likewise, and all my life with some setbacks.
Godly, good, training and upbringing ....

Thanks for now... it's nearly midnight and though I might not go to sleep for a while, though I always get a good nights rest regardless of what time it is,
I am inspired to let this rest for now....
If YHWH permits, we may continue later.

Shalom !
in JESUS !

 

[1stcenturylady]

Yes , when I was young, likewise, and all my life with some setbacks.
Godly, good, training and upbringing ....

Thanks for now... it's nearly midnight and though I might not go to sleep for a while, though I always get a good nights rest regardless of what time it is,
I am inspired to let this rest for now....
If YHWH permits, we may continue later.

Shalom !
in JESUS !

Me, too. It's 11:45 pm here.

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
Romans 2 says the Holy Spirit does that.

"you go first" -- you mean you want me to quote the New Covenant first?

Yes, quote it.

Gladly -

31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.

 

[BobRyan]

What is the 'Both AND" model?

So your saying that to break one law is to break them all and sustain the punishment of sin is in the New Covenant?

Ummmmm... No it's not.

"Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 is NEW Testament not just old testament.
"Wages of sin is death" Rom 6:23 is NEW Testament not simply old testament
"He who breaks one breaks them all" James 2 -- is NEW Testament.

And of course the Jer 31:31-36 NEW Covenant is in the OLD Testament.

 

[bloodygrace]

Sin is the transgression of God's law of love which is unbelief.

 

[BobRyan]

Okay, here are the pertinent posts leading to the post in question:

(1) QUOTE="BobRyan"]
(2) QUOTE="1stcenturylady"]Yes, Bob, and John tells us what he is referring to by commandments in 1 John 3:23, "And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment." John also wrote Revelation 14:12, so we know what he is referring there as well.[/ (2) QUOTE

I think most here will agree that "do not take God's name in vain" is also included in the "not mentioned by John yet-still-valid" list.
So it is no wonder that Paul affirms the 5th commandment as still binding on all the saints in Ephesians 6:2 as another "not mentioned by John yet still valid commandment" -- that we all know about and agree to.
What is more the way Paul puts it in Eph 6:2 the entire unit of TEN - is still valid.
Even though no NT writer mentions the command to not take God's name in vain -- it is still valid.
Even though no NT writer mentions the command to "Love God with all your heart" outside of the Gospel accounts -- which were all before the cross.... yet it still is valid.
I think we have seen this same point a few dozen times by now so you are well aware of my POV on that , I was just posting it for any new readers to this forum.[/QUOTE (1)

(3) QUOTE="1stcenturylady"]Don't you see that if you walk in the Spirit you won't be breaking ANY moral commandment, even if you'd never memorized the OT commandments?[/QUOTE (3)

What does "memorized" (as asked about before)
in quote (3),
have to do with anything in (1) and (2) ?

Asking about "memorized", is pertinent, because "memorized" is not in Scripture, nor in the posts, as far as can be seen so far.
"Memorized" itself is not , per se, important, but it is the first step to understanding all of quote (3), see ?

Since you didn't answer yet, it is still 'open' to find the meaning you meant.

amen!

As you reminded us in your post --

I think most here will agree that "do not take God's name in vain" is also included in the "not mentioned by John yet-still-valid" list.
So it is no wonder that

1. Paul affirms the 5th commandment as still binding on all the saints in Ephesians 6:2 as another "not mentioned by John yet still valid commandment" -- that we all know about and agree to.

2. What is more the way Paul puts it in Eph 6:2 the entire unit of TEN - is still valid.

3.Even though no NT writer mentions the command to not take God's name in vain -- it is still valid.

4.Even though no NT writer mentions the command to "Love God with all your heart" outside of the Gospel accounts -- which were all before the cross.... yet it still is valid.

 

[1stcenturylady]

BobRyan said: ↑
Romans 2 says the Holy Spirit does that.

"you go first" -- you mean you want me to quote the New Covenant first?



Gladly -

31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.

All covenants have signs of the covenant.

What is the sign of the new covenant? And what is it based on?

 

[bugkiller]

Some good quotes for sure.

1 John 2:1 "These things I write to you that you sin not"
1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the Law"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
Romans 8:4-9 the wicked are at war with the Law of God - and so they "do not submit to the Law of God - neither indeed can they" and this is contrasted with the case of the saints in Romans 8.

Since Rom 8:4-9 is not a reference to the wicked, I think you are using it as a cover to say the pro grace people here are wicked. This thread was cleaned because of this very activity.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

amen!

As you reminded us in your post --

I think most here will agree that "do not take God's name in vain" is also included in the "not mentioned by John yet-still-valid" list.
So it is no wonder that

1. Paul affirms the 5th commandment as still binding on all the saints in Ephesians 6:2 as another "not mentioned by John yet still valid commandment" -- that we all know about and agree to.

2. What is more the way Paul puts it in Eph 6:2 the entire unit of TEN - is still valid.

3.Even though no NT writer mentions the command to not take God's name in vain -- it is still valid.

4.Even though no NT writer mentions the command to "Love God with all your heart" outside of the Gospel accounts -- which were all before the cross.... yet it still is valid.

Changing the color does not help you, Bob. It is still the same ole spam technique.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

In your POV - is the Holy Spirit against the Bible or in favor of it??

Nicely worded cover for asking if the Holy Spirit is agains the 10 Cs. You can not show anywhere the Holy Spirit leads one to the law.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Gal 5

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Let's "read" the New Covenant and "see".

We can find it in Jeremiah 31:31-33

Shall I quote it or would you like to?

Why bother when it is not believed?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Where in the Ten Commandments does it say, if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

Good question.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

In Romans, it is written

those who DO TORAH (not just hear it (or have it memorized) )
are justified,
those who HAVE TORAH, but do not DO TORAH, are hearers only,
are not justified.

There are no doers.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Did I ask about walking in the Spirit? (no)

Why of course not. You walk kinda sorta by the law.

bugkiller

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There are no doers.

Go ahead and argue against Scripture all you like. I won't stop you.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why of course not. You walk kinda sorta by the law...

THANK YOU !

Kinda sorta the LAW, the TORAH, is a GOOD TUTOR, leading to LIFE, leading to CHRIST, just as TORAH says.... just as JESUS SAYS.