What is ID?

[AV1611VET]

Your parents and the existence of gods or UFO's are not really equal claims.

According to higher education though, I don't know if they are my parents, do I?

And for the record, if I would have DNA'd my parents while they were still alive, and at the same time some alien would have answered our Aricebo message,* then suddenly they would be equal claims, wouldn't they?

* Doubtful though, since our brainiacs depicted the Earth as third from the sun in a solar system consisting of nine planets. So they're probably looking elsewhere.

 

[Gene Parmesan]

So it's scientific to say [it] doesn't exist; but we can't, by faith, say [it] does exist; or your science will find a way to ridicule our faith?

Just out of curiosity, how many times has science said something didn't/couldn't exist: just to find out they were wrong later?

It is not scientific to say, "pixies do not exist." However, it is scientific to say that there is not enough evidence to claim that pixies exist.

And it is reasonable for someone to live their lives under the assumption that pixies do not interact with us in any meaningful way until such a time as evidence has been shown that they do.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's scientific to say I do not believe claim X until is has been demonstrated to be true and enough evidence has been provided.

So science is out looking for things they don't believe is true? Then why aren't they out looking for God?

 

[AV1611VET]

And it is reasonable for someone to live their lives under the assumption that pixies do not interact with us in any meaningful way until such a time as evidence has been shown that they do.

Tell that to those who committed suicide playing D&D.

 

[Skreeper]

So science is out looking for things they don't believe is true? Then why aren't they out looking for God?

Science is a process not a person. Are you saying there is a way we can investigate God through the scientific method?

 

[Gene Parmesan]

Tell that to those who committed suicide playing D&D.

You'll have to explain to me how this response logically follows...

 

[Skreeper]

According to higher education though, I don't know if they are my parents, do I?

If we're talking about absolute knowledge (which I don't believe is possible) then no. Without a DNA test you can't be certain that they were your biological parents.

 

[AV1611VET]

Science is a process not a person. Are you saying there is a way we can investigate God through the scientific method?

Absolutely.

And I'm getting tired of posting it over and over and over.

Bumper stickers, holidays, edifices, martyrs ... etc.

And by the way, if as you said:

It's scientific to say I do not believe claim X until is has been demonstrated to be true and enough evidence has been provided.

Then it was scientific to deny Thalidomide was the cause of a generation of mutants disfigured children, until it was demonstrated to be true and enough evidence was provided?

If so, why was Vioxx taken off the market because of one man dying?

 

[AV1611VET]

You'll have to explain to me how this response logically follows...

Ain't that a shame?

 

[AV1611VET]

If we're talking about absolute knowledge (which I don't believe is possible) then no. Without a DNA test you can't be certain that they were your biological parents.

Wow.

Like Paul says: "endless genealogies."

I guess everyone should start being suspicious of who's living under their roofs, shouldn't they?

I guess Ted Bundy would be considered a good point for your cause.

After all, he grew up being told his sister was his mother.

When he found out the truth,* he went feral.

* And it wasn't by your DNA garbage either: he did it by perusing birth certificates.

 

[Skreeper]

Absolutely.

And I'm getting tired of posting it over and over and over.

Bumper stickers, holidays, edifices, martyrs ... etc.

Maybe you should stop posting such hogwash if you are getting tired of it.

What have bumper stickers, holidays, edifices and martyrs got to do with investigating God?

Then it was scientific to deny Thalidomide was the cause of a generation of mutants disfigured children, until it was demonstrated to be true and enough evidence was provided?

Yes, because that's how the null hypothesis works.

There is no connection between X and Y until a connection has been demonstrated.

 

[Skreeper]

I guess everyone should start being suspicious of who's living under their roofs, shouldn't they?

I didn't suggest that. But if you want certainty about your biological parents then you have to go through DNA testing. I for one don't care too much if my parents are biological or not. It's important who raised me and not which genetic material I come from.

I guess Ted Bundy would be considered a good point for your cause.

After all, he grew up being told his sister was his mother.

When he found out the truth,* he went feral.

* And it wasn't by your DNA garbage either: he did it by perusing birth certificates.

Stop bringing up some random serial killers that have nothing to do with the conversation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe you should stop posting such hogwash if you are getting tired of it.

Not on your life, chief.

What have bumper stickers, holidays, edifices and martyrs got to do with investigating God?

Wow ... just wow.

Yes, because that's how the null hypothesis works.

Whatever that null hypothesis is, it can take a hike.

It sounds like something slick-talking scientists use at their discretion to shut someone up who's talking about the Bible.

There is no connection between X and Y until a connection has been demonstrated.

Which comes first? the connection or the demonstration?

If a tree falls in the woods and connects with someone and ceases his production of telomeres, did it happen before it was discovered?

(Maybe that's why Ted Bundy and the Green River Killer hid their victims? they were being scientific about it?)

 

[Gene Parmesan]

And by the way, if as you said:Then it was scientific to deny Thalidomide was the cause of a generation of mutants disfigured children, until it was demonstrated to be true and enough evidence was provided?

If so, why was Vioxx taken off the market because of one man dying?

It's scientific to say, "there seems to be a correlation here." It doesn't have to state anything beyond that before it's just reasonable to stop giving the drug until evidence can show that it is not the cause of the disfigurements.

Ain't that a shame?

I actually like and respect you, AV. I hope it is evident in my correspondence. Judging by this response I'll guess I have failed there.

 

[AV1611VET]

I for one don't care too much if my parents are biological or not.

Tell that to Ted Bundy.

Stop bringing up some random serial killers that have nothing to do with the conversation.

Are you seriously kidding me?

I mean ... really?

 

[AV1611VET]

It's scientific to say, "there seems to be a correlation here." It doesn't have to state anything beyond that before it's just reasonable to stop giving the drug until evidence can show that it is not the cause of the disfigurements.

But until then, the default position that science should take is: I DON'T BELIEVE IT?

 

[Skreeper]

Not on your life, chief.

As you say, grandpa.

Wow ... just wow.

Right back at you.

Whatever that null hypothesis is, it can take a hike.

It sounds like something slick-talking scientists use at their discretion to shut someone up who's talking about the Bible.

If you want to stay irrational, just say so.

Which comes first? the connection or the demonstration?

The connection.

If a tree falls in the woods and connects with someone and ceases his production of telomeres, did it happen before it was discovered?

Yes, your point?

 

[Gene Parmesan]

But until then, the default position that science should take is: I DON'T BELIEVE IT?

You would use the scientific method to determine if it's even remotely likely that there is a correlation and act on that. Is it scientific to say "100% the drug is the cause of the disfigurements"? No, I don't think so. But that doesn't change the fact that science can be used to determine if the drug should be given or not.

 

[AV1611VET]

I actually like and respect you, AV. I hope it is evident in my correspondence. Judging by this response I'll guess I have failed there.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

And no, you didn't fail.

I just get the impression I'm talking to some slick Philadelphia lawyers sometimes, who invoke goofy hypotheses that are only meant to shut Bible-believing Christians up.

 

[Skreeper]

Tell that to Ted Bundy.

He's dead, case closed.

Are you seriously kidding me?

I mean ... really?

Hitler was a Christian. See I can play that game too.