Why The Bible Says I Can't Belive Jesus is God?

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You are arguing in circles. Avgjoe just gave you a lot of information that EXPLAINS EVERYTHING, but you don't truly wish to know the truth, or you would accept the Scripture given.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all are One, One are three. That's Biblical truth and if you put the effort into it, you can learn it yourself.

Good luck, because I do not exert my energy on those who refuse to listen or learn.
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NO OPINIONS OR COMMENTARIES.

Just post one verse in one post and state why
it states Jesus is God.

And we will begin
our discussion at that point.

Opinions and commentaries
are the beginning of man made doctrines.

I never read them.
If I want a man's opinion of the truth
I will just use my own.
 
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''For God is not the author of confusion'' - 1 Corinthians 14:33

God is not the author of confusion. The Trinity doctrine and the whole ''Jesus is a God'' thing is confusing. If Jesus was a God, Then Bible would say so. If Trinity was real, The bible would say so.

It's all just a one big confusing misinterpretation of the scripture. Jesus is not a God - Because the Bible doesn't say so, Therefore any attempt at making him a God is Confusing. The same goes for the Trinity.

 
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Please

NO OPINIONS OR COMMENTARIES.

Just post one verse in one post and state why
it states Jesus is God.

And we will begin
our discussion at that point.

Opinions and commentaries
are the beginning of man made doctrines.

I never read them.
If I want a man's opinion of the truth
I will just use my own.


So how would you view preaching then? BEcause preaching is basicully what I did, you simply present some verses and explain them based off your biblical understanding, and the bible supports preaching and teaching.

Also I didn't use any commentaries.
 
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Thank you for your reply.
His mission is not yet finished.
Isn't He coming back to complete it?
He achieved all power and authority in heaven and on earth. Yes, he will return to his flock for a visit, but earth isn't his permanent home. He existed in eternity before this world was.
 
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Thank you for your reply.
Matthew 1:20 - 1:22
But while he thought on these things,
behold, the angel of the Lord appeared
unto him in a dream,
saying, Joseph, thou son of David,
fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife:
for that which is conceived in her
is of the Holy Ghost.
And she shall bring forth a son,
and thou shalt call his name JESUS:
for he shall save his people from their sins.
Now all this was done,
that it might be fulfilled
which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet,
saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child,
and shall bring forth a son, and they
shall call his name Emmanuel,
which being interpreted is, God with us.

Do you see 2 names? I see 2 names and
they are not the same names.

How do you explain it?

Not to mention, the Immanuel prophecy didn't even refer to Jesus if you read the full context, it was referring to a child born shortly after the prophecy was made who would grow up, and by the time he was old enough to know right from wrong, the two warring kings of the time would be ruined.
 
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If I want a man's opinion of the truth
I will just use my own.

then look in your Bible for truth
and stop asking everyone else
for their opinions

(done feeding the trolls)
 
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So how would you view preaching then? BEcause preaching is basicully what I did, you simply present some verses and explain them based off your biblical understanding, and the bible supports preaching and teaching.

Also I didn't use any commentaries.
Thank you for your reply.
State any one scripture
from the bible that
persuaded you to believe Jesus is God.
Then you and I will start
our discussion at that point.
 
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then look in your Bible for truth
and stop asking everyone else
for their opinions

(done feeding the trolls)
Thank you for your reply.
State any one scripture
from the bible that
persuaded you to believe Jesus is God.
Then you and I will start
our discussion at that point.

I do not consider you a troll.
And I do not mind anyone trolling
any thread of mine.

All are welcome.
Even you.
 
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Not to mention, the Immanuel prophecy didn't even refer to Jesus if you read the full context, it was referring to a child born shortly after the prophecy was made who would grow up, and by the time he was old enough to know right from wrong, the two warring kings of the time would be ruined.
Thank you for your reply.
State any one scripture
from the bible that
persuaded you to believe Jesus is God.
Then you and I will start
our discussion at that point.
 
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Thank you for your reply.
State any one scripture
from the bible that
persuaded you to believe Jesus is God.
Then you and I will start
our discussion at that point.

For me it was more so the presentation a preacher made using this verse that persuaded me and before you get on me for that I was newly saved so was just looking for answers. This was the verse he used he used another one to support this one but since you're just asking for one I believe i'll just put the first one.


John 1King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
 
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For me it was more so the presentation a preacher made using this verse that persuaded me and before you get on me for that I was newly saved so was just looking for answers. This was the verse he used he used another one to support this one but since you're just asking for one I believe i'll just put the first one.


John 1King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Thank you for your reply.
Please explain to me why you believe that
this is stating that Jesus is God?

I do not see it in it.
 
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''For God is not the author of confusion'' - 1 Corinthians 14:33

God is not the author of confusion. The Trinity doctrine and the whole ''Jesus is a God'' thing is confusing. If Jesus was a God, Then Bible would say so. If Trinity was real, The bible would say so.

It's all just a one big confusing misinterpretation of the scripture. Jesus is not a God - Because the Bible doesn't say so, Therefore any attempt at making him a God is Confusing. The same goes for the Trinity.
The divinity of the incarnate Son was a revelation to mankind.
 
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Thank you for your reply.
Please explain to me why you believe that
this is stating that Jesus is God?

I do not see it in it.
Well if you change your rules a bit and let me post the 2nd verse it could help. You said just one for some reason when it was two that started out my conviction.
 
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He's God's divine son. He's like God, But not exactly as powerful. Because there's only one God and only one Authority above all. And that is God himself. Jesus is his divine son.

Trinity isn't real. And Jesus isn't ''another God.''

The Trinity is real and the most difficult thing about the Christian concept of the Trinity is that there is no way to perfectly and completely understand it. The Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand, let alone explain. God is infinitely greater than we are; therefore, we should not expect to be able to fully understand Him. The Bible teaches that the Father is God, that Jesus is God, and that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also teaches that there is only one God. Though we can understand some facts about the relationship of the different Persons of the Trinity to one another, ultimately, it is incomprehensible to the human mind. However, this does not mean the Trinity is not true or that it is not based on the teachings of the Bible.

God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and the Holy Spirit is not the same person as Father. They are not three gods and not three beings. They are three distinct persons; yet, they are all the one God. Each has a will, can speak, can love, etc., and these are demonstrations of personhood. They are in absolute perfect harmony consisting of one substance. They are coeternal, coequal, and copowerful. If any one of the three were removed, there would be no God.

Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity:

1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).

2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.

In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.

3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.

4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).

5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14.

6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.

The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.

The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

The following chart should help you to see how the doctrine of the Trinity is systematically derived from Scripture. The list is not exhaustive, only illustrative.

Trinity Chart.jpg
The doctrine of the Trinity has been a divisive issue throughout the entire history of the Christian church. While the core aspects of the Trinity are clearly presented in God’s Word, some of the side issues are not as explicitly clear. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God—but there is only one God. That is the biblical doctrine of the Trinity.
 
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Please post the second verse.

John 1:14King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
 
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Okay okay, I guess I'll have to switch sides then. Yeah brianbe, You're wrong. At least your post made me realize the truth. And it's funny, That it's gonna be Me who will expose you the Truth:

(Psalm 84:1-12)

14The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the one and only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

15John testified concerning Him. He cried out, saying, “This is He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me, because He was before me.’”

16From His fullness we have all received grace upon grace. 17For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God andb is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.
 
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John 1:14King James Version (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Thank you for your reply.
Is this when When the Word
became the Son of God?
A. Yes
B. No
C. I don't know.
 
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