Why did the snake entice Eve first but not Adam?

[BukiRob]

But was Adam held accountable for her actions? Since he was to rule over her. She didn't even know she was naked til Adam took his first bite, yes or no? So does that show us the accountability held for the husband over his wife and family? And the 2 shall become one body.

No. The sins of the fathers is not accountable to the sons concept.

Prior to the fall Adam did not "rule" over Eve. She was created so that Adam would not be alone. I find that at times that rabbinical commentary can help gain more clarity with some of the Hebrew scripture.

לבשר אחד: הולד נוצר על ידי שניהם, ושם נעשה בשרם אחד:
25 Now they were both naked, the man and his wife, but they were not ashamed. כהוַיִּהְיוּ שְׁנֵיהֶם עֲרוּמִּים הָאָדָם וְאִשְׁתּוֹ וְלֹא יִתְבּשָׁשׁוּ:
but they were not ashamed: for they did not know the way of modesty, to distinguish between good and evil (Gen. Rabbah) (Targum Yerushalmi), and even though knowledge was granted him to call [all the creatures] names, he was not imbued with the evil inclination until he ate of the tree, and the evil inclination entered into him, and he knew the difference between good and evil (Gen. Rabbah) (Zohar, vol. 1, 36b; Mid. Tadshei 7).

Its key that we understand that up until they sinned they did NOT have the inclination to do evil (sin).

 

[Grandpa2390]

No she did not. She was deceived not Adam. Adam's GREAT error which man has been doing since the very beginning is to supplant the word of G-d and add to it. G-d did NOT say don't touch. ADAM said that. The moment he told Eve that the Serpent KNEW he had them.

what are you talking about. I said this many times already... Eve was deceived Adam wasn't. Eve at the fruit in deception, but then she had to convince Adam to do it as well. Adam submitted to her will.
He was not convinced, he submitted
he knew he was doing wrong so he was not deceived, he submitted.

Scripture tells us that Eve was deceived. It is, IMO, impossible that Eve was deceived and ate right in front of Adam.

and I am not so sure about that idea either. Just find it hard to believe Adam was that bad.
But I am not going to attack anyone's opinion on something like that because there really isn't anyway to tell.

 

[Grandpa2390]

Prior to the fall Adam did not "rule" over Eve. She was created so that Adam would not be alone. I find that at times that rabbinical commentary can help gain more clarity with some of the Hebrew scripture.

You are probably right.
@Solomons Porch Rule is probably not the right word. He was the leader of his house though. Eve was to submit to him. That much is clear.

 

[BukiRob]

what are you talking about. I said this many times already... Eve was deceived Adam wasn't. Eve at the fruit in deception, but then she had to convince Adam to do it as well. Adam submitted to her will.
He was not convinced, he submitted
he knew he was doing wrong so he was not deceived, he submitted.

and I am not so sure about that idea either. Just find it hard to believe Adam was that bad.
But I am not going to attack anyone's opinion on something like that because there really isn't anyway to tell.

I think there are some fairly strong hints. First Adam did what mankind has done since the beginning. He ADDED to the Word of G-d. This error is what gave the Serpent his chance.

I simply do not agree with you. Adam had knowledge we know that because he named every creature that G-d brought before him. This means he had knowledge of GOOD... he knew G-d and spoke with him regularly. Adam did NOT have an inclination for evil of knowledge of it. Eve was likewise good until she took part of the fruit.

There simply is no rational basis to believe that Adam was right there, allowed Eve to eat the fruit, do nothing, say nothing and then eat it himself... that is extremely illogical.

In your view, Adam is a thousand times worse. In your view you have an Adam who KNEW G-d and knew exactly what he said and rejected it all.....

The far likelier occurrence is that Adam was not present (nearby but not with her) with Eve when she was deceived (the enemy wants to isolate and then attack)

After she had fallen Adam is in a difficult spot. The woman he loves more than anything in creation is now fallen and if he refuses to eat then she will die and he will be alone. Plus she was not already dead so perhaps G-d was not telling the whole truth.... we can see by the fact that Adam did not give to Eve the truth that Adam did not fully trust G-d to begin with....

 

[Grandpa2390]

I think there are some fairly strong hints. First Adam did what mankind has done since the beginning. He ADDED to the Word of G-d. This error is what gave the Serpent his chance.

Yesss.... this I already said. Either Adam misquoted God, or Eve was not intelligent enough to memorize one command . probably the former.

Eve was likewise good until she took part of the fruit.

she ate the fruit, became evil, and then convinced Adam to eat some too...
The curse certainly reflects it.

There simply is no rational basis to believe that Adam was right there, allowed Eve to eat the fruit, do nothing, say nothing and then eat it himself... that is extremely illogical.

you misread what I said again and again. I never said that Adam was there. Another poster suggested it. I said (a number of times now), that I am not too sure about it. Gave a few reasons why I am not to sure that he would have been right there.
What is confusing you, is that I am refusing to definitively say that Adam was not there. I don't want to say something definitively that I do not know. and cannot prove.
Do I believe Adam was away from Eve at the time? yes.
Can I prove it? no.

In your view, Adam is a thousand times worse. In your view you have an Adam who KNEW G-d and knew exactly what he said and rejected it all.....

Yes that is what happened. It is what we are told in the New Testament.
Also, when God confronts Adam about eating the fruit, he doesn't tell God he did it because he loved Eve. He blames Eve. Doesn't sound like love to me.

The far likelier occurrence is that Adam was not present (nearby but not with her) with Eve when she was deceived (the enemy wants to isolate and then attack)

I agree with you. I find the "Adam was right there" view difficult to believe myself. Though I can't prove it to be wrong. I can only rely on my own wisdom.

After she had fallen Adam is in a difficult spot. The woman he loves more than anything in creation is now fallen and if he refuses to eat then she will die and he will be alone. Plus she was not already dead so perhaps G-d was not telling the whole truth.... we can see by the fact that Adam did not give to Eve the truth that Adam did not fully trust G-d to begin with....

Perhaps Adam trusted God fully but did not fulfill his responsibility the way he ought to have. Perhaps he didn't trust God. But there is nothing in there to suggest that Adam chose to eat the fruit out of the love. In fact. I can entertain the idea that Adam was there the entire time, but the idea that Adam and Eve inspired the story of Romeo and Juliet is a bit grasping.

 

[BukiRob]

Yesss.... this I already said. Either Adam misquoted God, or Eve was not intelligent enough to memorize one command . probably the former.

she ate the fruit, became evil, and then convinced Adam to eat some too...
The curse certainly reflects it.

you misread what I said again and again. I never said that Adam was there. Another poster suggested it. I said (a number of times now), that I am not too sure about it. Gave a few reasons why I am not to sure that he would have been right there.
What is confusing you, is that I am refusing to definitively say that Adam was not there. I don't want to say something definitively that I do not know. and cannot prove.
Do I believe Adam was away from Eve at the time? yes.
Can I prove it? no.


Yes that is what happened. It is what we are told in the New Testament.
Also, when God confronts Adam about eating the fruit, he doesn't tell God he did it because he loved Eve. He blames Eve. Doesn't sound like love to me.

I agree with you. I find the "Adam was right there" view difficult to believe myself. Though I can't prove it to be wrong. I can only rely on my own wisdom.

Perhaps Adam trusted God fully but did not fulfill his responsibility the way he ought to have. Perhaps he didn't trust God. But there is nothing in there to suggest that Adam chose to eat the fruit out of the love. In fact. I can entertain the idea that Adam was there the entire time, but the idea that Adam and Eve inspired the story of Romeo and Juliet is a bit grasping.

Your noting that Eve could have "Eve was not intelligent enough to memorize one command " while I understand you may have been jesting does belay an underlying subtle current of just how insidious the teaching of evolution is and how it has even crept into the body of messiah.

I hold the view that Adam and Eve were for the lack of better words, from our perspective today, were nearly perfect. Both would have been extraordinarily physically beautiful and both would have been geniuses intellectually.

You want to assert that Adam didnt love Eve?! His response to G-d is one of ANGER. Adam is wrong but its clear to see why he was angry at G-d. Adam prior to the creation of Eve was LONELY. G-d makes a point of telling us that when he said "Its not good for man to be alone...." Now G-d creates this woman and how could he possibly NOT be head over heels for her. There is no inclination towards evil so his love for her is pure. She is there and she is his best friend, she is kind, loving, supportive and different than him in ways that makes them drawn to each other.

Now she has sinned by eating this fruit he told her Not to even touch it (he added in error to the WORD) He KNOWS she is going to die because G-d said that would be what would happen. He can not imagine going back to being alone. G-d cant anymore out of his body so he can either live alone forever or die with her. He loves her and can not imagine being without her so he eats.

 

[Yarddog]

Hi Yarddog, I see the connection you are trying to make, but your church (and mine) assigns blame for the universality of sin to our first parents, not to God.

Where do I assign blame on God in what I wrote?

Or are you perhaps saying that 1) the Biblical story of our first parents is real and that 2) it is 'also' used as a allegory?

An allegory can be either bu I neither deny or affirm that Adam and Eve actual individuals but contend that the stories in Genesis point to something more than a historic event. Eden, paradise is the state of righteousness. Just as Adam and Eve were created in Eden by God also points that man must be created righteous by God through faith. Just as there are two creation events in Genesis 1-2, so man has two creations. We are born of mother and reborn new creations into righteousness.

May I ask what you what is the most important 6th day for Christians? Good Friday?

Genesis 1 ends and 2 begins with God having "finished" all of the work which he had set out to do and he rests on the 7th day(God's rest). The Gospel of John tells us that Jesus had completed the works which God had set before him and as the 6th day was coming to an end he said, "It is finished" and gave up his spirit and rested on the 7th day.

Christians enter God's rest, righteousness, by being created as new beings through faith. Eden is the state of righteousness. Adam and Eve represent the Hebrew people. The Hebrew people were in righteousness until they chose to place themselves under the Law of Moses in the desert. Paul tells us in Romans 2 about the Law, "because in the law you have the formulation of knowledge and truth". The Law is the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil.

When Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the Tree Knowledge God kicked them out of Eden(righteousness) and cursed man to work the ground which represents the works of man.

Hebrews 6:
4 For it is impossible in the case of those who have once been enlightened and
5 and tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 and then have fallen away, to bring them to repentance again, since they are recrucifying the Son of God for themselves and shared in the holy Spirit and holding him up to contempt.
7 Ground that has absorbed the rain falling upon it repeatedly and brings forth crops useful to those for whom it is cultivated receives a blessing from God.
8 But if it produces thorns and thistles, it is rejected; it will soon be cursed and finally burned.

God said to Adam "because of you! In toil you shall eat its yield all the days of your life. Thorns and thistles it shall bear for you, and you shall eat the grass of the field.

Genesis 3:22Then the LORD God said: See! The man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil! Now, what if he also reaches out his hand to take fruit from the tree of life, and eats of it and lives forever? 23The LORD God therefore banished him from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from which he had been taken. 24 He expelled the man, stationing the cherubim and the fiery revolving sword east of the garden of Eden, to guard the way to the tree of life.

The Tree of life is Jesus Christ who has the fruit of life. Those who are righteous through faith may eat his fruit. Those who had rejected righteous cannot reenter because that would recrucifying Christ.

God Bless.

.​

 

[Grandpa2390]

Your noting that Eve could have "Eve was not intelligent enough to memorize one command " while I understand you may have been jesting does belay an underlying subtle current of just how insidious the teaching of evolution is and how it has even crept into the body of messiah.

I hold the view that Adam and Eve were for the lack of better words, from our perspective today, were nearly perfect. Both would have been extraordinarily physically beautiful and both would have been geniuses intellectually.

YES, I am pointing out that the only other possibility, is a ridiculous one. good work.

You want to assert that Adam didnt love Eve?!

No... I am asserting that love is not the reason why he ate the fruit.

His response to G-d is one of ANGER. Adam is wrong but its clear to see why he was angry at G-d.

I did not get anything from the story that Adam was angry at god.

Adam prior to the creation of Eve was LONELY. G-d makes a point of telling us that when he said "Its not good for man to be alone...." Now G-d creates this woman and how could he possibly NOT be head over heels for her. There is no inclination towards evil so his love for her is pure. She is there and she is his best friend, she is kind, loving, supportive and different than him in ways that makes them drawn to each other.

Now she has sinned by eating this fruit he told her Not to even touch it (he added in error to the WORD)

right we know he added to the word.

He KNOWS she is going to die because G-d said that would be what would happen. He can not imagine going back to being alone. G-d cant anymore out of his body so he can either live alone forever or die with her. He loves her and can not imagine being without her so he eats.

and here is the

underlying subtle current of just how insidious the teaching of evolution

you have turned the story of Adam and Eve into a fairy tale. There is nothing in there that implies that Adam did it out of love. He didn't defend Eve, he blamed her. Something he would not have done if he disobeyed God out of love for her, and most certainly not something he would have done if he were angry at God.

You have added so many details to the story from your own fantasy.
What the teaching of evolution has done to the Bible is make us more comfortable with adding details and turning every story into a metaphor, spiritualize, allegory, etc. rather than just reading what is written and accepting it as presented.

 

[BukiRob]

YES, I am pointing out that the only other possibility, is a ridiculous one. good work.


No... I am asserting that love is not the reason why he ate the fruit.

I did not get anything from the story that Adam was angry at god.

right we know he added to the word.
and here is the
you have turned the story of Adam and Eve into a fairy tale. There is nothing in there that implies that Adam did it out of love. He didn't defend Eve, he blamed her. Something he would not have done if he disobeyed God out of love for her, and most certainly not something he would have done if he were angry at God.

You have added so many details to the story from your own fantasy.
What the teaching of evolution has done to the Bible is make us more comfortable with adding details and turning every story into a metaphor, spiritualize, allegory, etc. rather than just reading what is written and accepting it as presented.

You come across as a bit of an donkey's behind you know that?

So why did Adam eat? There are only a very few possible answers. And when you exclude answers that are not rational whatever is left is probably the correct answer.

Adam named all of the animals he therefore had KNOWLEDGE. Since he was until he ate of the fruit sinless he KNEW NO EVIL and as such did not have an inclination to do evil. That means that he WOULD NOT HAVE EATEN of his own accord. This is why the serpent did not go after Adam directly but instead attacked Eve.

NONE of what I have suggest is allegory, fairy tale, metaphor or spiritualized but rather is DEDUCTIVE reasoning... you should try it some time... its helpful in life

 

[miknik5]

Because the serpent was shrewd. He knew that Adam had utterly failed because from the BEGINNING man has substituted what G-d has said for man's tradition esteeming them better. Notice what Eve says to the serpent. Gen 3: 2 The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat; 3 but from the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat from it or touch it, or you will die.’”
Gen
That is NOT what G-d said to Adam. Gen 2: 16 The LORD God commanded the man, saying, “From any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17 but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.”

The moment Eve told the serpent that she wasn't allowed to touch it, he knew he had her. G-d spoke directly to Adam concerning what could and could not be eaten in the garden NOT Eve.

Furthermore, it is HIGHLY unlikely that Adam was with Even when this occurred. The enemy attacks when you are vulnerable to attack. Adam would have never allowed Eve to eat the fruit because Adam had firsthand knowledge.

In my personal opinion, Adam and Eve had most likely been in the garden for a while we get hints of this by what happens shortly after they have eaten... 8 They heard the sound of the LORD G-d walking in the garden in the cool of the day..... This suggests that they were accustomed to when G-d would come during the cool of the day. We don't know how long Adam was in the garden before Eve was created. Nor do we know how long they were in the garden before she was deceived and gave fruit to Adam to eat.

The bigger question is why did Adam eat?
IMO Adam loved eve and knew if he did not eat that she would be left alone because of the sin of disobedience. It is key to remember that prior to their sin Adam and Eve were PERFECT. They knew no sin so Eve's love for Adam would have been perfect. Imagine that you companion was beyond anything you could ever dream of and how they treated you made you feel completed. Adam KNEW what it was like to be alone and he knew what it was like to be with her. Adam probably could not fathom losing her. You see unlike every other love story or marriage Eve was literally taken from Adam. There could not have been a more perfect match for Adam than Eve. G-d called creation when he rested "Very good" I have seen vista's so beautiful they just take your breath away in their beauty. Adam and Eve would have been like this.

On some level one can understand Adam's reply to G-d when asked why he ate what was forbidden. Adam had to choose being alone again or sinning to be with Eve so, he predictably blames G-d by saying "The woman YOU gave me....." Oh that Adam had trusted G-d and had told Eve "No" We will wait on the Lord and He will fix this.... but, that was never to happen.

Can you explain why there was a tree of life in the garden?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Why did the snake (Satan?) persuade Eve to eat the forbidden fruit, but not to talk to Adam first?
Could he talk to Adam first but Adam had rejected him, and so he came to entice Eve?

Going purely by what the story says, Eve happened to be there. If there is a more significant reason why the author has Eve being duped by the snake, rather than Adam, it's not entirely clear from the text itself--though there may be interesting speculations on the subject.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[miknik5]

You are probably right.
@Solomons Porch Rule is probably not the right word. He was the leader of his house though. Eve was to submit to him. That much is clear.

Please show where it is clear that Eve was to (initially from the beginning) to be in submission to her helpmate

 

[miknik5]

your desire shall be for your husband and he shall rule over you came after they had sinned

 

[miknik5]

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I think there are some fairly strong hints. First Adam did what mankind has done since the beginning. He ADDED to the Word of G-d. This error is what gave the Serpent his chance.

I simply do not agree with you. Adam had knowledge we know that because he named every creature that G-d brought before him. This means he had knowledge of GOOD... he knew G-d and spoke with him regularly. Adam did NOT have an inclination for evil of knowledge of it. Eve was likewise good until she took part of the fruit.

There simply is no rational basis to believe that Adam was right there, allowed Eve to eat the fruit, do nothing, say nothing and then eat it himself... that is extremely illogical.

In your view, Adam is a thousand times worse. In your view you have an Adam who KNEW G-d and knew exactly what he said and rejected it all.....

The far likelier occurrence is that Adam was not present (nearby but not with her) with Eve when she was deceived (the enemy wants to isolate and then attack)

After she had fallen Adam is in a difficult spot. The woman he loves more than anything in creation is now fallen and if he refuses to eat then she will die and he will be alone. Plus she was not already dead so perhaps G-d was not telling the whole truth.... we can see by the fact that Adam did not give to Eve the truth that Adam did not fully trust G-d to begin with....

what is happening in this post?

All I hear in it is confusion

Let's cut through the confusion
Who got to stay in the Garden (enjoying the full GLORY of HIS Presence)

 

[miknik5]

Yesss.... this I already said. Either Adam misquoted God, or Eve was not intelligent enough to memorize one command . probably the former.

she ate the fruit, became evil, and then convinced Adam to eat some too...
The curse certainly reflects it.

you misread what I said again and again. I never said that Adam was there. Another poster suggested it. I said (a number of times now), that I am not too sure about it. Gave a few reasons why I am not to sure that he would have been right there.
What is confusing you, is that I am refusing to definitively say that Adam was not there. I don't want to say something definitively that I do not know. and cannot prove.
Do I believe Adam was away from Eve at the time? yes.
Can I prove it? no.


Yes that is what happened. It is what we are told in the New Testament.
Also, when God confronts Adam about eating the fruit, he doesn't tell God he did it because he loved Eve. He blames Eve. Doesn't sound like love to me.

I agree with you. I find the "Adam was right there" view difficult to believe myself. Though I can't prove it to be wrong. I can only rely on my own wisdom.

Perhaps Adam trusted God fully but did not fulfill his responsibility the way he ought to have. Perhaps he didn't trust God. But there is nothing in there to suggest that Adam chose to eat the fruit out of the love. In fact. I can entertain the idea that Adam was there the entire time, but the idea that Adam and Eve inspired the story of Romeo and Juliet is a bit grasping.

Your comment
She ate the fruit and became evil is wrong

Wrong comment because they both ate it and immediately their eyes were opened

You are saying Eve ate it, knew her sin and offered it to her husband anyway?

 

[bling]

Adam was there with Eve when she was deceived, but he was not tricked. The real question I've always had was why didn't he stop her.

The Hebrew and Greek word "with" is mostly used to describe "in support of" or "in agreement" the opposite of being "against the person" and does not have to mean "in close proximity". This could also mean they had had sex together by this time. The "with" in this passage may have been inserted to show they had become "one" and were really together on everything by this time. This might also explain why Adam ate the fruit Eve gave him (he could not live without her by this time), his love for Eve was greater than his Love for God so like Romeo he wanted to go where ever she was going.

 

[miknik5]

Your noting that Eve could have "Eve was not intelligent enough to memorize one command " while I understand you may have been jesting does belay an underlying subtle current of just how insidious the teaching of evolution is and how it has even crept into the body of messiah.

What?

] hold the view that Adam and Eve were for the lack of better words, from our perspective today, were nearly perfect. Both would have been extraordinarily physically beautiful and both would have been geniuses intellectually.

Nope. Children. Who did naturally what they were naturally and originally designed to do. Trust their GOOD FATHER who knows best what is BEST and GOOD for them

You want to assert that Adam didnt love Eve?! His response to G-d is one of ANGER.

Really? I didn't hear anger at all
I heard fear and confusion. But anger? No. I didn't hear that in Adams voice at all

Adam is wrong but its clear to see why he was angry at G-d. Adam prior to the creation of Eve was LONELY. G-d makes a point of telling us that when he said "Its not good for man to be alone...." Now G-d creates this woman and how could he possibly NOT be head over heels for her.

GOD did not "create" the woman. HE took out from
Adam...Eve. She came forth from
him

There is no inclination towards evil so his love for her is pure. She is there and she is his best friend, she is kind, loving, supportive and different than him in ways that makes them drawn to each other.

Now she has sinned by eating this fruit he told her Not to even touch it (he added in error to the WORD) he KNOWS she is going to die because G-d said that would be what would happen. He can not imagine going back to being alone.

Where is it written that Adam instructed Eve not to eat of it or not to touch it? Initially you said it was Eve who added to GOD's WORD. Now your reference to "he" is that Adam gave Eve the command and added to the command not to touch the tree?

Adam was a child too. Not knowing good or evil. They had no concept of either No concept of consequences. No concept even if what it means to "surely die"

Adam just listened to her with no other thought in his mind that there could be anything bad because he didn't know what bad is

It was afterwards. After they had sinned that they were made aware of something outside of the usual existence they had been experiencing up to that point
Something felt terribly WRONG

G-d cant anymore out of his body so he can either live alone forever or die with her. He loves her and can not imagine being without her so he eats.

Thank GOD he went with her
If he had been left in the GARDEN and Eve only was sent out there wouldn't have been any children

 

[bling]

Gen 3:6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate.

Read my post above

 

[SeventyOne]

The Hebrew and Greek word "with" is mostly used to describe "in support of" or "in agreement" the opposite of being "against the person" and does not have to mean "in close proximity". This could also mean they had had sex together by this time. The "with" in this passage may have been inserted to show they had become "one" and were really together on everything by this time. This might also explain why Adam ate the fruit Eve gave him (he could not live without her by this time), his love for Eve was greater than his Love for God so like Romeo he wanted to go where ever she was going.

I have no doubt he was in agreement with her, otherwise, he wouldn't have fallen as well.

 

[miknik5]

You come across as a bit of an donkey's behind you know that?

Not necessary

why did Adam eat? There are only a very few possible answers. And when you exclude answers that are not rational whatever is left is probably the correct answer.

He was a child. Not knowing the difference between good and evil never having had to experience anything but what was good he had no knowledge of anything outside of what is good

Adam named all of the animals he therefore had KNOWLEDGE.

He named the animals and whatever he names then that was their name. Even the animals initially were....different

A lion wasn't a lion sir. He didn't even eat meat. What "knowledge" outside of an outward name did Adam yet accumulate?

he was until he ate of the fruit sinless he KNEW NO EVIL and as such did not have an inclination to do evil. That means that he WOULD NOT HAVE EATEN of his own accord. This is why the serpent did not go after Adam directly but instead attacked Eve.

Eve as well had no inclination to do evil not even knowing what evil is.
And to clear up the confusion on who is to blame, take a look at GOD's command once again

GOD did not leave the command at do not eat from this tree but said

IN THE DAY you eat of it
Do you think that GOD who can see one day as a thousand years didn't know that there would be that day?

NONE of what I have suggest is allegory, fairy tale, metaphor or spiritualized but rather is DEDUCTIVE reasoning... you should try it some time... its helpful in life

Not necessary