Seven Earth-Like Planets Found

[dad]

If you believe we all evolved that might be the case. But God created the Earth and the universe. Nothing happens by random chance.

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If it were the case the bible is wrong and Jesus also who said it was right.

 

[Speedwell]

If it were the case the bible is wrong and Jesus also who said it was right.

Either that, or your interpretation of the Bible is wrong--and of course that's impossible.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If it were the case the bible is wrong and Jesus also who said it was right.

Verses to prove your case.


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[dad]

Either that, or your interpretation of the Bible is wrong--and of course that's impossible.

It would be impossible to claim Jesus did not certify that Scripture was true...obviously.

 

[dad]

Verses to prove your case.


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Google it.

 

[Speedwell]

It would be impossible to claim Jesus did not certify that Scripture was true...obviously.

But "true" isn't necessarily the same as 100% accurate literal history.

 

[Skavau]

Did you check my link..?

God is capable of giving and actually will give you, your deepest, truest, secret, sincerest, truest, even darkest (but that would be "hell") (and not heaven) "hearts desire", beyond your wildest dreams or imagination, what you may not even know you "really want" yet, but, it's "in there"... "in you", down deep, and he knows what it is, and you'll get it/that in the end...

Right now, you call the ability to commit sin, and committing sin(s), "freedom", that is what Satan thinks, and the way he want's the rest to think also... The fleeting, temporary and ultimately "empty" fleeting pleasures of sin, and sinning, are fleeting, temporary, and ultimately very very empty and will leave you cold, dead, and empty, in the end... Not to mention very "angry" if that's what you get in the afterlife, weeping and gnashing of teeth...

Excluding actions that actually hurt others, are there any behaviours or interests that would be regarded as a 'dark' desire, and thus 'sinful'?

Right now, you think like him, calling "freedom slavery, and slavery freedom"... You've got it backwards, and this is one of Satan's greatest deceptions and tools he uses...

There is something intensely human about your world. The eradication of suffering, pain and the unrelenting and uninterruptible pursuit of pleasure and joy. Who wouldn't want this? This is what makes it inherently suspicious to me. A world in which you describe would in effect be like living in a lucid dream, except you can't wake up, and you can't dream certain things.

Can the fleeting pleasures of sin, offer you that...? I don't think so...

God Bless!

What sins might people do now that they can't do in heaven? I have an affinity towards dark fiction, dark music, dark concepts as a point of interest. Is that possible in the utopia you present?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Google it.

Sounds like you don't have any verses. Hence, why you want me to Google it. At least give me the keywords for the search on Google or a few websites that have the verses.


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[dad]

But "true" isn't necessarily the same as 100% accurate literal history.

You are in no position to say there was no Daniel, Isaiah, or Adam and Eve. As a christian you may be able to say that, but not as a bible believer with a case.

 

[dad]

Verses to prove your case.


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What did Jesus teach about the Old Testament? | CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry


He also said it was impossible for one jot or tittle of scripture not to be fulfilled. He also said He would send the holy spirit to ensure that His people got the record right and remembered things right. Etc etc.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

What did Jesus teach about the Old Testament? | CARM Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

He also said it was impossible for one jot or tittle of scripture not to be fulfilled. He also said He would send the holy spirit to ensure that His people got the record right and remembered things right. Etc etc.

There appears to be a misunderstanding here.

I said,

"If you believe we all evolved that might be the case. But God created the Earth and the universe. Nothing happens by random chance." ~ Jason0047​

You said,

"If it were the case the bible is wrong and Jesus also who said it was right." ~ Dad.​

You gave me a link on the content of Jesus's teachings taken from the Old Testament. My response to this is: Well, of course I believe that Jesus believed in the authority of Scripture. Here is a quote from a poster on another Christian forum (of whom I agree with on this point).

Jesus has been proven to be not only a credible witness, but a messenger from God. In all His teachings He referred to the divine authority of the Old Testament (Mt. 5:17-18; 8:17; 12:40-42; Lk. 4:18-21; 10:25-28; 15:29-31; 17:32; 24:25-45; Jn. 5:39-47). He quoted the Old Testament 78 times, the Pentateuch alone 26 times. He quoted from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Amos, Jonah, Micah, and Malachi. He referred to the Old Testament as “The Scriptures,” “the word of God,” and “the wisdom of God.” The apostles quoted 209 times from the Old Testament and considered it “the oracles of God.” The Old Testament in hundreds of places predicted the events of the New Testament; and as the New Testament is the fulfillment of, and testifies to the genuineness and authenticity of the Old Testament, both Testaments must be considered together as the Word of God.​

Source:
Random question, how many times did Jesus quote the OT in the gospels?

In other words, my asking you for verses was not so as to whether or not Jesus believed in the authority of Scripture or that He taught from the OT. My asking you for verses was in relation for you to prove whether or not Macro-evolution is taught in the Bible. I said nothing happens by random chance. Your reply back to me on that point suggested that you disagree with that line of thinking.


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[lesliedellow]

His Word.

Where in the Bible does it say anything about the existence, or otherwise, of other Earth like planets?

 

[dad]

There appears to be a misunderstanding here.

I said,

"If you believe we all evolved that might be the case. But God created the Earth and the universe. Nothing happens by random chance." ~ Jason0047​

You said,

"If it were the case the bible is wrong and Jesus also who said it was right." ~ Dad.​

You gave me a link on the content of Jesus's teachings taken from the Old Testament. My response to this is: Well, of course I believe that Jesus believed in the authority of Scripture. Here is a quote from a poster on another Christian forum (of whom I agree with on this point).

Jesus has been proven to be not only a credible witness, but a messenger from God. In all His teachings He referred to the divine authority of the Old Testament (Mt. 5:17-18; 8:17; 12:40-42; Lk. 4:18-21; 10:25-28; 15:29-31; 17:32; 24:25-45; Jn. 5:39-47). He quoted the Old Testament 78 times, the Pentateuch alone 26 times. He quoted from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Amos, Jonah, Micah, and Malachi. He referred to the Old Testament as “The Scriptures,” “the word of God,” and “the wisdom of God.” The apostles quoted 209 times from the Old Testament and considered it “the oracles of God.” The Old Testament in hundreds of places predicted the events of the New Testament; and as the New Testament is the fulfillment of, and testifies to the genuineness and authenticity of the Old Testament, both Testaments must be considered together as the Word of God.​

Source:
Random question, how many times did Jesus quote the OT in the gospels?

In other words, my asking you for verses was not so as to whether or not Jesus believed in the authority of Scripture or that He taught from the OT. My asking you for verses was in relation for you to prove whether or not Macro-evolution is taught in the Bible. I said nothing happens by random chance. Your reply back to me on that point suggested that you disagree with that line of thinking.


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Oh. So it wasn't you claiming evolution may be the way God created...OK.

My views from the bible on evolving is that God formed man from the dust and took a bone from him and created woman one day. He also created all the animals and fish etc.

I have come to feel that there was probably a different set of laws or nature in the days of Adam, and even onto and shortly after the flood. It seems that evolving happened fast then and was a great ability for man and animals that we were equipped with from God. That helped us spread over the earth and multiply in various conditions. If a fish needed to grow legs to survive around some areas that were swampy...no problem! If man needed a different skin pigment, no problem.

After the nature change, adapting became what we know today...slow and limited. So the animals off the ark had time in the former nature to evolve as needed. Far as I am concerned today we might even call some of the rapid adapting that happened macro.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Where in the Bible does it say anything about the existence, or otherwise, of other Earth like planets?

It doesn't. Which also negates the idea of alien life.

Here are two really good articles with Scripture that refutes the idea of alien life.

http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c012.html

Did God create life on other planets? - CMI Mobile


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[Bible Highlighter]

Oh. So it wasn't you claiming evolution may be the way God created...OK.

My views from the bible on evolving is that God formed man from the dust and took a bone from him and created woman one day. He also created all the animals and fish etc.

I have come to feel that there was probably a different set of laws or nature in the days of Adam, and even onto and shortly after the flood. It seems that evolving happened fast then and was a great ability for man and animals that we were equipped with from God. That helped us spread over the earth and multiply in various conditions. If a fish needed to grow legs to survive around some areas that were swampy...no problem! If man needed a different skin pigment, no problem.

After the nature change, adapting became what we know today...slow and limited. So the animals off the ark had time in the former nature to evolve as needed. Far as I am concerned today we might even call some of the rapid adapting that happened macro.

The concept of one particular kind of animal forming into another kind of animal is not Biblical; And nor is it Scientific. Macro Evolution is a fantasy.


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[dad]

The concept of one particular kind of animal forming into another kind of animal is not Biblical; And nor is it Scientific. Macro Evolution is a fantasy.


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Since you don't know what the kinds were, that has little value as a working model. If a bird evolved into a dinosaur, it would actually be from the bird kind. We today might call it a dino kind...but without any real knowledge or basis. When God called the animals into the ark He went back, presumably to the original created kinds only. So the adapted 'kinds' would not really be 'kinds' in the created kind sense.

The serpent was rapidly changed into another 'kind' of animal! The fallen angels are not really angel kind any more are they!? Even God changed into a man! Show us the bible verses that say no significant evolving to kinds could happen?

How could we look at the millions of various 'kinds' or sorts of animals today and assume they all were in the ark, including all the extinct ones? There HAD to be evolving and adaping.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Since you don't know what the kinds were, that has little value as a working model. If a bird evolved into a dinosaur, it would actually be from the bird kind. We today might call it a dino kind...but without any real knowledge or basis. When God called the animals into the ark He went back, presumably to the original created kinds only. So the adapted 'kinds' would not really be 'kinds' in the created kind sense.

The serpent was rapidly changed into another 'kind' of animal! The fallen angels are not really angel kind any more are they!? Even God changed into a man! Show us the bible verses that say no significant evolving to kinds could happen?

How could we look at the millions of various 'kinds' or sorts of animals today and assume they all were in the ark, including all the extinct ones? There HAD to be evolving and adaping.

No. There are no transitional fossils anywhere; And God never even hints in His Word about animals being like a transformer (i.e. "transformer" being of the animal kind and not the robot kind). Macro Evolution is a fairy tale. Micro Evolution is true because it is changes within an animal's kind. But Man did not descend from apes.


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[dad]

No. There are no transitional fossils anywhere;

So? Does that mean if a mastodon or elephant adapted into a dwarf elephant we would have transitional fossils? Also how would you know what was a created kind fossil or one that did transition from a created kind?

And God never even hints in His Word about animals being like a transformer (i.e. "transformer" being of the animal kind and not the robot kind). Macro Evolution is a fairy tale.


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He told us to cover the earth, so that means we would need to be quite adaptive. In the future Lions will eat grass and many feel that in the beginning they may have done that also. Wolves also will eat grass. That seems to indicate a lot of changes.

If most animals were not meat eaters before the flood, that means a lot of evolving went on also. I see you provided no verses to support your contention that animals and man could not have underwent large changes. Since you have no list of created kinds you also have no way of saying what changed from what or not. To claim no macro changes could occur is to do so by faith and with, apparently no bible support.

You have another chance to find some bible support for your claim.....

 

[lesliedellow]

It doesn't. Which also negates the idea of alien life.

Here are two really good articles with Scripture that refutes the idea of alien life.

http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c012.html

Did God create life on other planets? - CMI Mobile


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First off, I am not a YEC, but even if I was:

"He will destroy this present universe and create a new heavens and Earth"

Not true. The Bible only talks about the end of the world and mankind's fate.

 

[dad]

First off, I am not a YEC, but even if I was:

"He will destroy this present universe and create a new heavens and Earth"

Not true. The Bible only talks about the end of the world and mankind's fate.

Isa 13:10 -For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Joe 2:10 - The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

Mt 24:29 -Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


Re 6:14 - And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.