LDS More False Doctrine Right There in LDS Scripture!

[withwonderingawe]

Just one of the fruits of Joseph Smith.

I belong to the world's largest and oldest women's organisation, it's call the Relief Society. Joseph established it 175 years ago with the object of helping the poor and the needy.

From the website;
Relief Society helps prepare women for the blessings of eternal life as they:

• Increase faith in Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ and His Atonement;
• Strengthen individuals, families, and homes ...
• Work in unity to help those in need.

All over the world anytime of the day the Relief Society is serving someone. Today in our ward we had a funeral for a sister who didn't even live in the ward any more. They provided the dinner free, the Bishop provided his services free. Sisters and brothers came together to set up tables and chairs and then take it all down. No one was charged a dime.

Last week we were gathering goods for a women's shelter. There's a rest home in the area where we provide service. Each month I visit 3 ladies in the ward to see if they need any help, if they are sick. I have one sister whose under a lot of emotional problems with a death in her family and just sitting and talking to someone not related to her helps relieve the stress.

The Relief Society President serves for free, she helps the Bishop who also serves for free. She helps any family in the ward who may need food by going to what is called the Bishop's store house. Food is brought there from Church owned farms and then given out to those in need. We have bakeries, raisin farms, peach orchards and green bean farms and wheat farms ect. We have a meat packing plant in Spanish Fork where beef from the our feedlot are slaughter and packaged for the needy.

We have one of the largest dairy farms in the world, the milk is distributed to these Bishop Store houses for church member use and then given to other organisation like Catholic relief or the Red Cross to send throughout the world. Very often the food distributed by other relief organizations comes from the Mormon Church. We have the food and they have the connections to distribute.

I could go on and on with all the humanitarian projects we have all over the world.

 

[withwonderingawe]

But did coming across to the lds improve their standing with God? Did they become more holy, deepen in their understanding of God, have a closer relationship with him?

Did any of them have a testimony?

You're not going to join a church any church if the isn't something there to draw you in. To go from believing God is and "it" to understanding that God is your eternal Heavenly Father and you lived with him before you came here is a deep and very enriching experience.

 

[withwonderingawe]

It not a so much a game as historical facts.

Just before we compare these men with Smith, I believe john Wesley also had a poor marriage by biblical standards, what do you know about this before we look at their good fruit?

I don't think we need to compare just recognize no man except Jesus was ever perfect.

 

[Rescued One]

Just one of the fruits of Joseph Smith.

I belong to the world's largest and oldest women's organisation, it's call the Relief Society. Joseph established it 175 years ago with the object of helping the poor and the needy.

From the website;
Relief Society helps prepare women for the blessings of eternal life as they:

• Increase faith in Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ and His Atonement;
• Strengthen individuals, families, and homes ...
• Work in unity to help those in need.

All over the world anytime of the day the Relief Society is serving someone. Today in our ward we had a funeral for a sister who didn't even live in the ward any more. They provided the dinner free, the Bishop provided his services free. Sisters and brothers came together to set up tables and chairs and then take it all down. No one was charged a dime.

Last week we were gathering goods for a women's shelter. There's a rest home in the area where we provide service. Each month I visit 3 ladies in the ward to see if they need any help, if they are sick. I have one sister whose under a lot of emotional problems with a death in her family and just sitting and talking to someone not related to her helps relieve the stress.

The Relief Society President serves for free, she helps the Bishop who also serves for free. She helps any family in the ward who may need food by going to what is called the Bishop's store house. Food is brought there from Church owned farms and then given out to those in need. We have bakeries, raisin farms, peach orchards and green bean farms and wheat farms ect. We have a meat packing plant in Spanish Fork where beef from the our feedlot are slaughter and packaged for the needy.

We have one of the largest dairy farms in the world, the milk is distributed to these Bishop Store houses for church member use and then given to other organisation like Catholic relief or the Red Cross to send throughout the world. Very often the food distributed by other relief organizations comes from the Mormon Church. We have the food and they have the connections to distribute.

I could go on and on with all the humanitarian projects we have all over the world.

There was no meal at my sister's Mormon funeral.

 

[Rescued One]

You're not going to join a church any church if the isn't something there to draw you in. To go from believing God is and "it" to understanding that God is your eternal Heavenly Father and you lived with him before you came here is a deep and very enriching experience.

There is nothing enriching about being lied to and told to worship a false god.

 

[withwonderingawe]

Were there wars, bank fraud, evidences of men marrying many wives, free masonary practises going on? Have a look and see?

Joseph can't help it that other men defraud him out of his money and he should be held accountable for their actions.

Free masonary is your problem, there is nothing evil about the Masons, yes they have some religious rites which seem strange to you but a lot of good people have belong to the Masons. Including George Washington, Benjamin Franklin,
John Hancock, Paul Revere, and John Paul Jones, Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt, Jim Bowie, Davy Crockett, Kit Karson, John Wayne, Burl Ives, Roy Rogers, Danny Thomas,
Ernest Borgnine, Red Skelton, Clark Gable, Will Rogers,
Audie Murphy, and Gene Autry. You can be a Mason and still be a Christian lots of people are!

I'm going to tell you about another prophecy which Joseph made in August of 1831 . It's about the building of Zion which those early Mormons thought they were going to build. Joseph sent some men down to buy land in Missouri with a prophecy that Zion would be built there but there was a big "IF".

D&C 63
27 Wherefore, I the Lord will that you should purchase the lands, that you may have advantage of the world, that you may have claim on the world, that they may not be stirred up unto anger.

28 For Satan putteth it into their hearts to anger against you, and to the shedding of blood.

29 Wherefore, the land of Zion shall not be obtained but by purchase or by blood, otherwise there is none inheritance for you.

30 And if by purchase, behold you are blessed;

In other words you're going to go down there and face a martyrs death, be prepared.

and then they he adds this if

31 And if by blood, as you are forbidden to shed blood, lo, your enemies are upon you, and ye shall be scourged from city to city, and from synagogue to synagogue, and but few shall stand to receive an inheritance.

At one point there was a mob surrounding Christian Whitmer's home, they were drunk and heavily armed but as yet no one had been killed. My husband's great great grandfather was with a group of men being led by David Whitmer. They had a few guns between them but were not as heavily armed as the mob. However they snuck up and got close enough that it surprised the mob. The Mob was heard to say 'the Mormon's are here pull back'. Then someone fired a shot and the shooting began, we don't know which side fired first. The mob retreated leaving one Mormon dead and two of their's.

At that moment they lost Zion, they had shed blood. My husband grandfather wrote in his journal about how upsetting it was. He knew the Missourians would use this little battle as a pretense for a full out war.

The prophecy of Joseph Smith came to pass and they were scourged from city to city and from church/synagogue to church.

Shortly after this Haun's Mill massacre occurred, 17 unarmed Mormons where shot and one old man was shot and then hacked to death with a scythe blade. Two little boys had their heads blown off because "Nits will make lice, and if he had lived he would have become a Mormon." The women were raped over and over again.

Yes there was a war.

 

[Jane_Doe]

There was no meal at my sister's Mormon funeral.

WWA was talking about humanitarian work for this in need. Your sister, being dead, didn't need meals brought to her. If you or her widower (don't know if that's applicable) whom were mourning would have liked the help from the ward, I'm sure they would have been happy to help. Would you have welcomed that help?

 

[withwonderingawe]

WWA was talking about humanitarian work for this in need. Your sister, being dead, didn't need meals brought to her. If you or her widower (don't know if that's applicable) whom were mourning would have liked the help from the ward, I'm sure they would have been happy to help. Would you have welcomed that help?

I think she was talking about the funeral. The Relief society President asks can we get you a lunch and then how many are coming. If your side says 'no thank you' then there is no lunch. For my mother in-law's funeral we had so many coming I offered to pay for the ham which they gladly accepted.

 

[Rescued One]

WWA was talking about humanitarian work for this in need. Your sister, being dead, didn't need meals brought to her. If you or her widower (don't know if that's applicable) whom were mourning would have liked the help from the ward, I'm sure they would have been happy to help. Would you have welcomed that help?

"All over the world anytime of the day the Relief Society is serving someone. Today in our ward we had a funeral for a sister who didn't even live in the ward any more. They provided the dinner free, the Bishop provided his services free. Sisters and brothers came together to set up tables and chairs and then take it all down. No one was charged a dime."

The dinner (not a dinner) implies that the dinner is a customary event at a funeral. I couldn't stay after the funeral because we had obligations in our home state and needed to get back in time. But no dinner was planned and other relatives who had traveled further than we had, weren't offered a meal.

 

[withwonderingawe]

WWA was talking about humanitarian work for this in need. Your sister, being dead, didn't need meals brought to her. If you or her widower (don't know if that's applicable) whom were mourning would have liked the help from the ward, I'm sure they would have been happy to help. Would you have welcomed that help?

I think she was talking about the funeral. The Relief society President asks can we get you a lunch and then how many are coming. If your side says 'no thank you' then there is no lunch. For my mother in-law's funeral we had so many coming I offered to pay for the ham which they gladly accepted

 

[fatboys]

There was no meal at my sister's Mormon funeral.

Maybe you didn't know about it

 

[DJItalianspur]

Just one of the fruits of Joseph Smith.

I belong to the world's largest and oldest women's organisation, it's call the Relief Society. Joseph established it 175 years ago with the object of helping the poor and the needy.

From the website;
Relief Society helps prepare women for the blessings of eternal life as they:

• Increase faith in Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ and His Atonement;
• Strengthen individuals, families, and homes ...
• Work in unity to help those in need.

All over the world anytime of the day the Relief Society is serving someone. Today in our ward we had a funeral for a sister who didn't even live in the ward any more. They provided the dinner free, the Bishop provided his services free. Sisters and brothers came together to set up tables and chairs and then take it all down. No one was charged a dime.

Last week we were gathering goods for a women's shelter. There's a rest home in the area where we provide service. Each month I visit 3 ladies in the ward to see if they need any help, if they are sick. I have one sister whose under a lot of emotional problems with a death in her family and just sitting and talking to someone not related to her helps relieve the stress.

The Relief Society President serves for free, she helps the Bishop who also serves for free. She helps any family in the ward who may need food by going to what is called the Bishop's store house. Food is brought there from Church owned farms and then given out to those in need. We have bakeries, raisin farms, peach orchards and green bean farms and wheat farms ect. We have a meat packing plant in Spanish Fork where beef from the our feedlot are slaughter and packaged for the needy.

We have one of the largest dairy farms in the world, the milk is distributed to these Bishop Store houses for church member use and then given to other organisation like Catholic relief or the Red Cross to send throughout the world. Very often the food distributed by other relief organizations comes from the Mormon Church. We have the food and they have the connections to distribute.

I could go on and on with all the humanitarian projects we have all over the world.

This isn't one, but many of the Mormon social projects started in 1985, when the organisation (lds) has to have a radical change of strategy and PR campaign. They realised the name the Mormon lds had (multi marriage, racism, lies e.t.c ) and needed a new strategy. They had to appear to do good to try to change the image. The problem is they never addressed Smiths eveil acts, people know you can't murder, steal and lie and claim it is in Gods name.

Recently the Mormons have again shifted strategy on same sex couples and children. This is how worldly companies operate, can you imagine if Nike or Microsoft had the reputation mormons have what would they do, a huge PR campaign, ever wounded why you changed your logo, less of lds and more of Christ?

I don't know where to start with the fruit of the Christian church. Let's look at North america's education or health care or early science, not hard to find the Christian link is it?

Who was it that brought the bible to America Christians?

 

[DJItalianspur]

Joseph can't help it that other men defraud him out of his money and he should be held accountable for their actions.

Free masonary is your problem, there is nothing evil about the Masons, yes they have some religious rites which seem strange to you but a lot of good people have belong to the Masons. Including George Washington, Benjamin Franklin,
John Hancock, Paul Revere, and John Paul Jones, Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt, Jim Bowie, Davy Crockett, Kit Karson, John Wayne, Burl Ives, Roy Rogers, Danny Thomas,
Ernest Borgnine, Red Skelton, Clark Gable, Will Rogers,
Audie Murphy, and Gene Autry. You can be a Mason and still be a Christian lots of people are!

I'm going to tell you about another prophecy which Joseph made in August of 1831 . It's about the building of Zion which those early Mormons thought they were going to build. Joseph sent some men down to buy land in Missouri with a prophecy that Zion would be built there but there was a big "IF".

D&C 63
27 Wherefore, I the Lord will that you should purchase the lands, that you may have advantage of the world, that you may have claim on the world, that they may not be stirred up unto anger.

28 For Satan putteth it into their hearts to anger against you, and to the shedding of blood.

29 Wherefore, the land of Zion shall not be obtained but by purchase or by blood, otherwise there is none inheritance for you.

30 And if by purchase, behold you are blessed;

In other words you're going to go down there and face a martyrs death, be prepared.

and then they he adds this if

31 And if by blood, as you are forbidden to shed blood, lo, your enemies are upon you, and ye shall be scourged from city to city, and from synagogue to synagogue, and but few shall stand to receive an inheritance.

At one point there was a mob surrounding Christian Whitmer's home, they were drunk and heavily armed but as yet no one had been killed. My husband's great great grandfather was with a group of men being led by David Whitmer. They had a few guns between them but were not as heavily armed as the mob. However they snuck up and got close enough that it surprised the mob. The Mob was heard to say 'the Mormon's are here pull back'. Then someone fired a shot and the shooting began, we don't know which side fired first. The mob retreated leaving one Mormon dead and two of their's.

At that moment they lost Zion, they had shed blood. My husband grandfather wrote in his journal about how upsetting it was. He knew the Missourians would use this little battle as a pretense for a full out war.

The prophecy of Joseph Smith came to pass and they were scourged from city to city and from church/synagogue to church.

Shortly after this Haun's Mill massacre occurred, 17 unarmed Mormons where shot and one old man was shot and then hacked to death with a scythe blade. Two little boys had their heads blown off because "Nits will make lice, and if he had lived he would have become a Mormon." The women were raped over and over again.

Yes there was a war.

Actaully free masonary was Smiths problem, he father had the same problem, he never repented of this. Does that sound like fruit to you?

When you say there is nothing evil about masons -what do you know about them? Does the lds have an official position on them?

You quote the d&c this is where Smith introduced his theory of many Gods, can the D&C be taken as accurate according to the lds? I.e do you regard it as equal with the boM?

Are there any historical records of massacres by Mormons? Why do you think they didn't obey the bible on this, same reason for not obeying the bible on many other matters?

A modern self proclaimed prophet, not obeying Gods word, from North America, well he is not alone is he (seven day adventists, jevovah witnesses ....) are we sure God still uses prophets today?

Are there any records of massacres by the early church fathers? Why not, can you think of any biblical scriptures why a Christian does not fight back?

 

[DJItalianspur]

I don't think we need to compare just recognize no man except Jesus was ever perfect.

I would not compare Wesley with Smith either.
But just note what we consider a bad marriage (John Wesley) very different from how you view Smiths marriage.

Just a thought, how many hours did he devote to each wife per week? How loving would this be? Does the bible command men to love their wives? Sad that Smith taught that this was from God anyway I am sure you agree that Smith was not following Gods word in this matter...

 

[Jane_Doe]

You quote the d&c this is where Smith introduced his theory of many Gods

Your misunderstanding on this has been correct MANY times now.

Are there any historical records of massacres by Mormons? Why do you think they didn't obey the bible on this, same reason for not obeying the bible on many other matters?

How about we ask the same question of the many massacres and entire wars done by mainstream Christians over the years? Clearly all men sin.

And once again you did not respond to a thing WWA said.

 

[Jane_Doe]

I would not compare Wesley with Smith either.

Do you follow Wesley and honor him as a teacher from God? Despite his numerous sins?

 

[withwonderingawe]

The problem is they never addressed Smiths eveil acts, people know you can't murder, steal and lie and claim it is in Gods name.

Who did Joseph Smith Murder
Who did he steal from
Who did he lie to

 

[withwonderingawe]

This isn't one, but many of the Mormon social projects started in 1985,

No, our large welfare program began back in 1929 with the great depression. Harold B. Lee began it in his own stake and then it became the model for the whole church. Welfare Square was built in 1938 and remolded in the 1990s.

We've always had fast Sundays where we each skip two meals and the money not spent is donated to the church to help pay light bills, rent and doctor bills of those living in the ward.

During WW2 the Saints in Norway and other places planted potatoes and then at the end of the war they shipped them to Germany to feed the starving German people. General Eisenhower about fell off his chair.

We've been helping each other and others since the Church began.

 

[Ironhold]

Actaully free masonary was Smiths problem, he father had the same problem, he never repented of this. Does that sound like fruit to you?

When you say there is nothing evil about masons -what do you know about them? Does the lds have an official position on them?

What is your concern with Masonry?

 

[Rescued One]

You're not going to join a church any church if the isn't something there to draw you in. To go from believing God is and "it" to understanding that God is your eternal Heavenly Father and you lived with him before you came here is a deep and very enriching experience.

I've never heard of any Christian thinking God is an "it." That's an impossible thought.