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[Jimmy D]

That doesn't answer my question.

He's suggesting that it's possible that they saw fossils, I think. It's neither here nor there anyway as far as I'm concerned, it should take a lot more than one ambiguous carving to convince anyone that Stegosaurus roamed the Earth 800 years ago.... especially given the multiple lines of evidence to the contrary.

 

[Guide To The Bible]

He's suggesting that it's possible that they saw fossils, I think. It's neither here nor there anyway as far as I'm concerned, it should take a lot more than one ambiguous carving to convince anyone that Stegosaurus roamed the Earth 800 years ago.... especially given the multiple lines of evidence to the contrary.

"possible" and "I think" does not help to answer why the carver, carved what he carved and what is carved.

 

[Speedwell]

That doesn't answer my question.

As has already been pointed out, people have known about dinosaurs from their fossils for thousands of years.

A depiction of a dinosaur from 800 AD no more proves that man lived with dinosaurs than a statue of a dinosaur in a natural history museum does.

 

[Jimmy D]

"possible" and "I think" does not help to answer why the carver, carved what he carved and what is carved.

We can only speculate and infer, what do you expect? Maybe he dreamt it, maybe he wasn't very good at drawing chameleons, maybe it's a fake who knows?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But how would the carver know what a dinosaur looked like, stegosaurus or otherwise?

The same way we know about it.
Those fossils that we find in the ground, were also in the ground at the time those guys were carving things into rock, you know.

So just forgetting for a minute the discussion about which animal it depicts. Let's assume for the sake of argument that it is idd a stegosaurus.

Considering the evidence available to us, considering everything we know about geology, archeology, paleontology, physics, biology, zoology, genetics,... etc.

Which is more likely:
- these people walked among LIVING stegosaurus
- these people know about it, just like we do: they found a fossil

By the way... according to everything we know from science, stegosaurus lived some 150 million years ago. While homo sapiens has been around for a good 150.000 years.

 

[Guide To The Bible]

The same way we know about it.
Those fossils that we find in the ground, were also in the ground at the time those guys were carving things into rock, you know.

So just forgetting for a minute the discussion about which animal it depicts. Let's assume for the sake of argument that it is idd a stegosaurus.

Considering the evidence available to us, considering everything we know about geology, archeology, paleontology, physics, biology, zoology, genetics,... etc.

Which is more likely:
- these people walked among LIVING stegosaurus
- these people know about it, just like we do: they found a fossil

By the way... according to everything we know from science, stegosaurus lived some 150 million years ago. While homo sapiens has been around for a good 150.000 years.

Well firstly i believe in a young Earth that's 5987 years old but say the carver was carving what he thought was a dinosaur from a fossil, this might explain why it is not exactly like a stegosaurus but i don't think so. Tbh I'm not sure what it is. We only seem to have theories as to what it might be.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Funny thing, though: even if the carving was of a stegosaurus (the "spines" are decoration, not a part of the animal carving, you can see more of them in the design around the animal part, btw), that wouldn't disprove evolution, it'd mean that stegosaurus went extinct at a different time than the fossil record suggests (which can happen, due to the rarity of fossils. Consider the coelacanth as an example of a real life currently living organism that was thought to have gone extinct about 66 million years ago).

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Well firstly i believe in a young Earth that's 5987 years old

Ow... Okay... uhu.

Nevermind then.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well firstly i believe in a young Earth that's 5987 years old but say the carver was carving what he thought was a dinosaur from a fossil, this might explain why it is not exactly like a stegosaurus but i don't think so. Tbh I'm not sure what it is. We only seem to have theories as to what it might be.

That's the most specific I have seen a YEC get with how old they thought the world was.

 

[HitchSlap]

I gave you one old academic source and some accounts of historical writings that you could flesh out, and that's probably as close as you'll be able to come in this day and age while evolution suppositions currently control the secular world.

There's not enough woo in the world, huh?

 

[HitchSlap]

I would agree that I would not thank someone who adds the nonsense of evolution that already floods the internet, but that's not what I did.

No, what you did was flood this thread with pseudoscience nonsense straight from Coast to Coast AM woo, with a healthy shot of that shyster Michael Cremo.

Dunning-Krueger is strong with you.

 

[Loudmouth]

Well firstly i believe in a young Earth that's 5987 years old but say the carver was carving what he thought was a dinosaur from a fossil, this might explain why it is not exactly like a stegosaurus but i don't think so. Tbh I'm not sure what it is. We only seem to have theories as to what it might be.

The facts you need to explain is why dinosaur fossils are only found in geologic layers below igneous rocks with a specific ratio of isotopes consistent with 65 million years of radioactive decay.

You can argue against radiometric dating all you want, but those isotopes are still there. If radiometric dating is all wrong, then why don't we find dinosaurs in rocks that are dated to 3 million years ago, or humans that are dated to 3 billion years ago? Why do we always find dinosaur fossils up until we get to the K/T boundary and not after?

 

[Strathos]

I am looking for academic books that deals with the claims that man lived with dinosaurs?

I heard on the radio that there is a lot of documentation for both living at the same time in the last 6,000 years.

I want the non Bible sources only.

Here's one

 

[cre8id]

The same way we know about it.
Those fossils that we find in the ground, were also in the ground at the time those guys were carving things into rock, you know.

So just forgetting for a minute the discussion about which animal it depicts. Let's assume for the sake of argument that it is idd a stegosaurus.

Considering the evidence available to us, considering everything we know about geology, archeology, paleontology, physics, biology, zoology, genetics,... etc.

Which is more likely:
- these people walked among LIVING stegosaurus
- these people know about it, just like we do: they found a fossil

By the way... according to everything we know from science, stegosaurus lived some 150 million years ago. While homo sapiens has been around for a good 150.000 years.

Looks like the discussion has moved past the "blond debate" stage. So, I'll give this another try.

So your explanation, assuming the "stegasauras" carving is really a stegasauras, is to assume that people found a fossil of the animal and had the sense to put the pieces together in correct order and then make a carving? Really?

How many complete or even almost complete, articulated, dinosaur fossils do you think there are? Not many. They are a very rare find. In the part of the world where the temple resides, if they had found such a rare find, they would have called it a dragon (it predates the coining of the word "dinosaur" by several hundred years) and would have more likely ground up the fossil to sell as an aphrodisiac... for money.

The first modern models (in the 1800's) of a dinosaur were inaccurate. The spike, which is now thought to reside on the dinosaur's foot or ankle, was placed above the nose. The model was supposed to be of Megledon but we now know it as Iguanadon. Again, what are the chances of those that carved the temple knew what the Stegasarus looked like?

By the way, the end of the tail is missing in the carving... it is hidden under the decorative outer ring encompassing the carving. Guess where the spikes would be?

 

[Astrophile]

I disagree. The carving shows spikes down the back of the animal - that is a Stegosarus. It may be a species we do not (yet) have in our museums, but you cannot deny that new surprise species of dinosaur fossils are found all the time. Many of the animals shown are slightly simplified, but they are still recognizable. Rino's do NOT have plates along their back... period!
Here is a link:
Physical Evidence for the Coexistence of Dinosaurs and Humans [Part I]

Besides the fact that there are no fossils connecting the well-known Late Jurassic and Early Cretaceous stegosaurs with the supposed modern stegosaur at Angkor Wat, there can't have been just one stegosaur living in Cambodia 800 years ago (about 1200 AD). There must have been herds of them with a history going back to the flood or the creation. Why are there no descriptions of such extraordinary creatures in Chinese or Indian sources, or even in Greek and Roman literature or in the Bible? Why are there no other pictures of them?

 

[Astrophile]

I disagree. The carving shows spikes down the back of the animal - that is a Stegosarus. It may be a species we do not (yet) have in our museums, but you cannot deny that new surprise species of dinosaur fossils are found all the time. Many of the animals shown are slightly simplified, but they are still recognizable. Rino's do NOT have plates along their back... period!
Here is a link:
Physical Evidence for the Coexistence of Dinosaurs and Humans [Part I]

Sorry, duplicate post.

 

[cre8id]

Besides the fact that there are no fossils connecting the well-known Late Jurassic and Early Cretaceous stegosaurs with the supposed modern stegosaur at Angkor Wat, there can't have been just one stegosaur living in Cambodia 800 years ago (about 1200 AD). There must have been herds of them with a history going back to the flood or the creation. Why are there no descriptions of such extraordinary creatures in Chinese or Indian sources, or even in Greek and Roman literature or in the Bible? Why are there no other pictures of them?

I do not know specifically about the stegasaur, but there were huge herds of Buffalo that once roamed the American West before they were driven to the brink of extinction by humans. Yet how many fossils do we have of them?

As to other dinosaurs, which would have been known as "dragons" there is a video showing a number of historical records and pictographs. You only need to watch the first 21 minutes for that information:

Dinosaurs Lived With Humans Is the name of the video. Seems appropriate.

 

[Biologist]

In reference to the previous discussion of are they rhinos versus dinosaurs. After proper examination I count 4 rhinos. Which is the only answer anyone should ever give accounting for the fact that rhinos are native to the region and time period. And the fact that multiple other animals share the same artistic pattern. It's not like we have to guess that the two creatures below the first rhino are some sort of spiny mammals because it's obviously a decorative pattern. The Rhino should be clear as well, even without other examples.

 

[Queller]

Answered already

 

[cre8id]

In reference to the previous discussion of are they rhinos versus dinosaurs. After proper examination I count 4 rhinos. Which is the only answer anyone should ever give accounting for the fact that rhinos are native to the region and time period. And the fact that multiple other animals share the same artistic pattern. It's not like we have to guess that the two creatures below the first rhino are some sort of spiny mammals because it's obviously a decorative pattern. The Rhino should be clear as well, even without other examples.

Are these really 4 pictures of 4 different carvings in the temple?
It looks to me like someone took the original picture, copied it 3 times, and either PhotoShopped the copies OR the copies show 3 subsequent stages of the original being PhotoShopped "enhanced" (to be kind)! A lot of people would call that FRAUD!