Attack on Quebec Mosque

[Archivist]

Prayers for those killed and wounded in the attack on a mosque in Quebec Sunday night.

 

[brinny]

Amen.

Praying for all who were attacked, killed, and wounded and their families and loved ones at this most tragic and traumatizing time of loss and grief, and praying for all of Quebec and all of Canada.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

I am curious how it happened with a gun. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it illegal to own a gun there? Or did someone smuggle it in? I'm also surprised they call it a terrorist attack. I'd say its just a crazed gunmen who has it out for muslims (sadly).

 

[Mrs.PGL]

I am curious how it happened with a gun. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it illegal to own a gun there? Or did someone smuggle it in? I'm also surprised they call it a terrorist attack. I'd say its just a crazed gunmen who has it out for muslims (sadly).

It is not illegal to own a gun in Canada. As of 14:00 hours, the police have not called it a terrorist attack - just the prime minister who is a pot smoker.

 

[Archivist]

I am curious how it happened with a gun. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it illegal to own a gun there? Or did someone smuggle it in? I'm also surprised they call it a terrorist attack. I'd say its just a crazed gunmen who has it out for muslims (sadly).

It is not illegal to own a gun in Canada, although I believe that the gun laws are more restrictive than US gun laws. Perhaps some CF member from Canada can provide details.

 

[RC1970]

It is not illegal to own a gun in Canada. As of 14:00 hours, the police have not called it a terrorist attack - just the prime minister who is a pot smoker.

I thought smoking pot was a prerequisite for all Canadians.

 

[RC1970]

One suspect was identified as Alexandre Bissonnette, a French-Canadian, the other as Mohamed Khadir, who is of Moroccan heritage although his nationality was not immediately known.

 

[Mrs.PGL]

I thought smoking pot was a prerequisite for all Canadians.

not yet

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

I thought smoking pot was a prerequisite for all Canadians.

From what I seen on the "Canadian Border Patrol" anyone coming in (from America) with pot was either turned away, paid a fee or arrested. Doesn't seem like they allow any in. The one guy had "medical cannabis" from California and the officer said "Sir, it may be legal in your state but in Canada our laws are very different and we base things according to how our laws see these issues!".

Actually its very scary just how limited you are on bringing anything over the border. Even a pair of tiny scissors (like for fabric) are not allowed. Thought that was in 2011. It may have changed.

 

[tulc]

Sean Spicer cites Quebec mosque shooting to justify Muslim ban

During the presser, Spicer mentioned that Trump had spoken to Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau offering condolences on the terrorist attack. Then Spicer used the attack to justify Trump’s executive order by describing the shooting as “a terrible reminder of why we must remain vigilant and why the president is taking steps to be proactive rather than reactive when it comes to our nation’s safety and security.”

This might be relevant if the shooter was a refugee from one of the seven Muslim majority countries Trump banned from entering the United States. Instead, the suspect is Vincent Boissoneault, a 27-year-old college student who happens to be a white supremacist and a huge fan of far right nationalists like Trump and France’s National Front leader Marine Le Pen.

tulc(praying for the families of the victims)

 

[Archivist]

Sean Spicer cites Quebec mosque shooting to justify Muslim ban

tulc(praying for the families of the victims)

I understand that two of the wounded remain in critical condition.

 

[tulc]

I understand that two of the wounded remain in critical condition.

thanks for the update!
tulc(praying more)

 

[redleghunter]

From what I seen on the "Canadian Border Patrol" anyone coming in (from America) with pot was either turned away, paid a fee or arrested. Doesn't seem like they allow any in. The one guy had "medical cannabis" from California and the officer said "Sir, it may be legal in your state but in Canada our laws are very different and we base things according to how our laws see these issues!".

Actually its very scary just how limited you are on bringing anything over the border. Even a pair of tiny scissors (like for fabric) are not allowed. Thought that was in 2011. It may have changed.

Well Randy Quaid and his wife were "guests" in Canada for a bit running from the Law:

The sad, strange saga of Independence Day hero Randy Quaid

 

[David_AB]

I am curious how it happened with a gun. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it illegal to own a gun there? Or did someone smuggle it in? I'm also surprised they call it a terrorist attack. I'd say its just a crazed gunmen who has it out for muslims (sadly).

If there's an attack by a Muslim the press call it a lone gunman.
If there's an attack on Muslims by a lone gunman the press call it a terrorist attack.

 

[Armoured]

I am curious how it happened with a gun. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it illegal to own a gun there? Or did someone smuggle it in? I'm also surprised they call it a terrorist attack. I'd say its just a crazed gunmen who has it out for muslims (sadly).

Despite the conspiracy theories, the US is NOT the only country with legal gun owership

 

[Papias]

If there's an attack by a Muslim the press call it a lone gunman.
If there's an attack on Muslims by a lone gunman the press call it a terrorist attack.

Wrong.

Terrorist attacks by Muslims are called "radical Islamic terrorism", while those by Christians for Christian reasons are called "lone gunmen", and "disturbed individuals".

This guy was a strong alt-right person online, and portrayed himself as a Christian crusader - a fan of Trump, Le Pen, and William Lane Craig. He killed a half dozen peaceful Muslims due to his religious differences, and still we get portrayals of him like this times article below.

This is white, Christian privilege.

Until we honestly call this what it is, we'll be seen as hypocrites every time we point out Muslim terrorism.

In Christ-

Papias

 

[Episaw]

Wrong.

Terrorist attacks by Muslims are called "radical Islamic terrorism", while those by Christians for Christian reasons are called "lone gunmen", and "disturbed individuals".

This guy was a strong alt-right person online, and portrayed himself as a Christian crusader - a fan of Trump, Le Pen, and William Lane Craig. He killed a half dozen peaceful Muslims due to his religious differences, and still we get portrayals of him like this times article below.

This is white, Christian privilege.

Until we honestly call this what it is, we'll be seen as hypocrites every time we point out Muslim terrorism.

In Christ-

Papias

I could be wrong but I have the impression that white governments are afraid to blame the Muslims for anything. They constantly avoid using the M word in any terrorist attacks.

In Melbourne Australia, a Muslim terrorist drove his car through a crowded shopping strip and killed five. The government and police refused to call it a Muslim terrorist attack even though he was heard shouting Allah Akbar and someone posted this on a facebook page and was told to take it down by police.

 

[redleghunter]

Wrong.

Terrorist attacks by Muslims are called "radical Islamic terrorism", while those by Christians for Christian reasons are called "lone gunmen", and "disturbed individuals".

This guy was a strong alt-right person online, and portrayed himself as a Christian crusader - a fan of Trump, Le Pen, and William Lane Craig. He killed a half dozen peaceful Muslims due to his religious differences, and still we get portrayals of him like this times article below.

This is white, Christian privilege.

Until we honestly call this what it is, we'll be seen as hypocrites every time we point out Muslim terrorism.

In Christ-

Papias

What's white Christian privilege?

Where's the evidence the shooter was Christian?

I would argue if the shooter was truly following Christ (definition of a Christian), he would be at the mosque to wash feet and not shoot.

 

[Papias]

I could be wrong but I have the impression that white governments are afraid to blame the Muslims for anything. They constantly avoid using the M word in any terrorist attacks.

I see them say "Muslim", "Islam", ISIL, etc - all the time. Just looking around I see tons of examples. Here's one - want more?

Attack on Nice: Who was Mohamed Lahouaiej-Bouhlel? - BBC News
Orlando shooting: 49 killed, shooter pledged ISIS allegiance - CNN.com

In Melbourne Australia, a Muslim terrorist drove his car through a crowded shopping strip and killed five. The government and police refused to call it a Muslim terrorist attack even though he was heard shouting Allah Akbar and someone posted this on a facebook page and was told to take it down by police.

Maybe, maybe not. Looking into this, it looks like he had attacked his wife (not a terrorist act), and then was in the middle of being chased by police when he drove into the crowd. He probably did that intentionally - but this doesn't look his original intent was a terrorist attack, or I don't see why he'd start by attacking his wife and attracting the police in the first place. What evidence do you have to suggest it was a terrorist attack?

4 killed, 20 injured, when car drives into crowd in Melbourne, Australia

What's white Christian privilege?

Systematic benefits given preferentially to white Christians/Christianity. There are many to list, but perhaps this thread gives a good starting example. If a white Christian commits terrorism, he's called a "lone wolf" or a "disturbed individual", and his religion is avoided. That's very different from if a Muslim does exactly the same thing.

For instance, look at the terrorist armed takeover of the federal property by the Ammon Bundy. News sources avoided calling him a terrorist, and practically never mentioned that he said that Jesus had appeared to him and told him to do this, nor that he was following Christian scripture in doing so.

Another example - can you imagine the shooter in Orlando, or the driver in Nice, being portrayed as in this front page picture of the Montreal terrorist?

Where's the evidence the shooter was Christian?

On facebook he liked Christian leaders, and was inspired by William Lane Craig. Now, for many famous people, liking them doesn't mean too much, since they often have several aspects of their fame - but for William Land Craig, who's only point is Christian apologetics, it's hard to see that as anything other than indication of being a Christian. That's more than many of the things used to decide that a terror attacker elsewhere is Muslim.

He also expressed "We live in a world where Christianity is demonized over cake and Islam is defended despite 50 dead at a gay club. Amazing." on FB.

I would argue if the shooter was truly following Christ (definition of a Christian), he would be at the mosque to wash feet and not shoot.

What would be your response to a Muslim who says that the Orlando shooter wasn't Muslim, because a true Muslim would have been there to wash feet and not to shoot?

In Christ-

Papias

 

[Archivist]

What would be your response to a Muslim who says that the Orlando shooter wasn't Muslim, because a true Muslim would have been there to wash feet and not to shoot?

Very true. My Muslim friends are wonderful people who would never consider doing what the Orlando shooter did.