National Go Topless Day

[Original Happy Camper]

And what does that have to do with women having the right to go topless.

I was dealing with culture and legality again. I do believe that women going topless is another step on the downward trend of the culture the Lord told us it would be like at the time of the end.

Sodom did not change their culture overnight it happened in increments, downhill.

I pray that the topless issue happens quickly so that the Lord will come sooner as the culture and legality of this world will fulfill the prophecy he spoke as stated, their thoughts were continually evil.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

First, I sing in the choir and we wear robes.

Second because I think church requires a certain decorum. I also wouldn't wear shirts to church.

do you mean shorts not shirts?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

This has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

Yes it does as your OP is asking if it is okay to change the culture and legality of an action. Equality is what you are proposing. So I am asking is not it an equality issue to ordain gay priests. How far do you want to take this equality issue?

 

[Archivist]

do you mean shorts not shirts?

Yes

 

[Archivist]

Yes it does as your OP is asking if it is okay to change the culture and legality of an action. Equality is what you are proposing. So I am asking is not it an equality issue to ordain gay priests. How far do you want to take this equality issue?

But ordaining gay priests is not a legal issue. Giving women the right to go topless is.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

But id aiming gay priests is not a legal issue.

But it is culturally at this time, give it time and it will be a legal issue. Based on discrimination laws.

 

[Archivist]

But it is culturally at this time, give it time and it will be a legal issue. Based on discrimination laws.

Probably not. Some denominations refuse to ordain women as priests/pastors and that has never been overturned on legal grounds.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Probably not. Some denominations refuse to ordain women as priests/pastors and that has never been overturned on legal grounds.

Wait, it all is coming through the IRS by removing tax exempt status.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

In the 1983 Bob Jones University case, the court ruled that a school could lose tax-exempt status if its policies violated “fundamental national public policy.” So far, the Bob Jones reasoning hasn’t been extended to other kinds of discrimination, but someday it could be.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

“fundamental national public policy.” = culture

 

[Archivist]

“fundamental national public policy.” = culture

In the 1983 Bob Jones University case, the court ruled that a school could lose tax-exempt status if its policies violated “fundamental national public policy.” So far, the Bob Jones reasoning hasn’t been extended to other kinds of discrimination, but someday it could be.

“fundamental national public policy.” = culture

And there is no evidence that what you are saying is going to happen. This is nothing more than speculation on your part. In any event, it has nothing to do with women having the right to go topless in public. Unless you can show some linkage between homosexual priests and topless women please stay on topic.

 

[HermanNeutics13]

There is nothing in the Bible that prohibits it. The only mention of modesty in the Bible says the opposite of what people seem to think. Being like Mimi from the Drew Carey show is more immodest than being topless. There is also no support for the idea of accepting toplessness leading to an increase in inappropriate content addiction as someone suggested.

 

[FredVB]

I do believe that women going topless is another step on the downward trend of the culture the Lord told us it would be like at the time of the end.

Why think that is part of a downward moral trend, when it is a cultural process that the Bible is not ever addressing, and if equality of rights for men and women in law is a good thing?

Sodom did not change their culture overnight it happened in increments, downhill.

Maybe, but that is being seen to have been that way without the Bible saying anything about that for Sodom.

I pray that the topless issue happens quickly so that the Lord will come sooner as the culture and legality of this world will fulfill the prophecy he spoke as stated, their thoughts were continually evil.

So here now a trend for women to have a right for the freedom to choose going without a top where men have such right is being said to be from thoughts that are continually evil?! How do any make that leap in thinking?

Modesty in the Bible is really about humility. So dressing in manners to gain attention to one's self, as opposed to having attention directed toward things of God, is what is contrary to modesty, in that sense meant in the Bible. And women without a top on accepted along with shirtless men with that becoming common will not be associated with or contribute to any inappropriate content, for whoever was suggesting that.

 

[bugkiller]

Are you not arguing that Christian women should go topless too because there is no passage in the Bible saying women should not go topless?

Confusing individual rights with the Christian walk is a key conundrum of the OP...

When the culture legalizes male public nudity and sexual acting out will you suggest Christian women [and men] should do so too?

In the name of individual rights and legal equality?

And no Biblical mention of male or female public nudity...??

Nor any Biblical mention of public sexual escapades???

This line of argument of yours is really hard to bear...

Arsenios

I do not think that is all that is being addressed in this thread. I think the thread is also addressing the issues of the mind. Some here think it is right to require everyone conform to their undefendable value systems.

One of the things I have a very hard time wrapping my head around is that it is somehow OK to be without adornment in unmarried intimate encounters one at a time but never in other general encounters. This is one of the problems I have with church people. It is a double standard. The
Church in general has allowed their values and behavior to be regulated by the world. When it comes to ethics I see no difference between church people and the unchurched.

bugkiller

 

[roamer_1]

Any reason why Christian women should not participate?

Yes. Modesty. Christians used to know what it's for.

 

[bugkiller]

Fishermen did that on ship only, not in public or around women.

Please explain why the Gospels say do not return for your clothes. Mat 24:18 is not talking about fishermen.

bugkiller

 

[Archivist]

Yes. Modesty. Christians used to know what it's for.

Biblical references regarding female modesty deal with overdressing, not underdressing.

 

[Archivist]

Wait, it all is coming through the IRS by removing tax exempt status.

I'll believe it when it happens.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

I've got one of those Proverbs ladies here at home she believes in being modest she gets that from reading her Bible 13 times in the last 13 years.

But I will admit it's not always easy being married to a saint.

M-Bob

 

[Archivist]

I've got one of those Proverbs ladies here at home she believes in being modest she gets that from reading her Bible 13 times in the last 13 years.

But I will admit it's not always easy being married to a saint.

M-Bob

That is fine if it works for her. I'm on my 9th reading of the Bible and I have never seen anything saying that it is immodest for a woman to go topless in public.