New series by Aron Ra: Why there was no Noachian Flood

[AV1611VET]

Nope, now you are relying on the failed work of Ussher.

I beg your pardon?

Did Ussher write these time stamps?

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Genesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Genesis 8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.

Genesis 8:14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I beg your pardon?

Did Ussher write these time stamps?

Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Genesis 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Genesis 8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.

Genesis 8:14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.

Those aren't timestamps. That is merely tribal lore. In other words I was right. You were referencing the failed work of Ussher.

 

[AV1611VET]

Those aren't timestamps.

Well they certainly aren't Ussher.

This is why I'd rather deal with Mr. Ra here ... not you.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well they certainly aren't Ussher.

This is why I'd rather deal with Mr. Ra here ... not you.

You are not paying attention again. What makes you think tahat a fictional work has timestamps?


And I already explained that if yoy wanted to speak to him you need to post on his video. By posting here you are tacitly asking to speak with me.

You know that you would fare much worse with him. That's why you have not posted a response on YouTube.

 

[Strathos]

Once again I'd like to draw your attention to the Channeled Scablands.

These show very particular geological features that are indicative of mass flooding. If a global flood had occurred, the entire world would have these same features. If God 'cleaned up' after said flood by removing them and instead planting false evidence of other geological processes (and yes, it would be false evidence, despite your objections), then why didn't He do the same thing to the Channeled Scablands, and all of the other places on earth's surface that show evidence of flooding?

The geology is pretty clear - where there were massive floods, we see consistent, predictable evidence of it. Where there weren't, we don't. God apparently doesn't bother to remove the physical evidence of any of these floods, yet you claim He did for this particular one.

 

[AV1611VET]

You know that you would fare much worse with him.

No argument there.

He is more qualified than you to address my rebuttals to his video -- as you're demonstrating and now admitting.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No argument there.

He is more qualified than you to address my rebuttals to his video -- as you're demonstrating and now admitting.

You purposefully misunderstood. You are still performing abominably. If anything your poor performance will drive people away from Christianity. So why are you here?

 

[AV1611VET]

If a global flood had occurred, the entire world would have these same features.

Why?

We know that Noah sent out a dove that brought back an olive leaf.

This tells me that God re-floraled the earth back to pre-Flood conditions.

Had He not done that, Noah and company would have starved to death waiting for trees that take years to grow and produce fruit.

 

[VirOptimus]

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We know that Noah sent out a dove that brought back an olive leaf.

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No, we dont know that. In fact, we know that that didnt happen as we know that the flood didnt happen and that the tale of Noah is just a myth that is an adaption of the Epic of Gilgamesh.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why?

We know that Noah sent out a dove that brought back an olive leaf.

No, we don't know that and you don't know that. You only believe that. It is part of the refuted tale.

This tells me that God re-floraled the earth back to pre-Flood conditions.

Funny, it tells me that the storyteller did not know how floods work.

Had He not done that, Noah and company would have starved to death waiting for trees that take years to grow and produce fruit.

Yes, but as the video pointed out they would've been already cooked to death so it is a moot point on your part.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, we dont know that. In fact, we know that that didnt happen as we know that the flood didnt happen and that the tale of Noah is just a myth that is an adaption of the Epic of Gilgamesh.

Quite a lot of work you guys do for something that didn't happen, isn't it?

Did you watch the video, yourself?

Didn't Mr. Ra say that, if 2016 taught him anything, it is not to underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups?

How is it he deems it necessary to counter Flood arguments, and yet you guys here deem it necessary only to go to autodenial mode and say NUH-UH?

"Duuuuuuh, no sir, that's not what happened, even though the Bible says otherwise. And uuuuuh no, that didn't happen either because Darwin says otherwise. And nope, that didn't happen either because this rock formation couldn't have been sculpted by an omniscient God, who created the rock in the first place."

Isn't it amazing that you can look at the same thing I look at ... like meandering rivers ... and you see Mother Nature taking millions of years to do it, and I seeing God taking just a few months?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Quite a lot of work you guys do for something that didn't happen, isn't it?

You have that backwards as usual.

Did you watch the video, yourself?

Didn't Mr. Ra say that, if 2016 taught him anything, it is not to underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups?

Right, and you belong to a much larger group than we do.

How is it he deems it necessary to counter Flood arguments, and yet you guys here deem it necessary only to go to autodenial mode and say NUH-UH?

What are you nattering about now?

"Duuuuuuh, no sir, that's not what happened, even though the Bible says otherwise. And uuuuuh no, that didn't happen either because Darwin says otherwise. And nope, that didn't happen either because this rock formation couldn't have been sculpted by an omniscient God, who created the rock in the first place."

Oh my. We need a new AV, the old one is broken.

Isn't it amazing that you can look at the same thing I look at ... like meandering rivers ... and you see Mother Nature taking millions of years to do it, and I seeing God taking just a few months?

Unlike you we don't have to lie to ourselves.

 

[VirOptimus]

Quite a lot of work you guys do for something that didn't happen, isn't it?

Did you watch the video, yourself?

Didn't Mr. Ra say that, if 2016 taught him anything, it is not to underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups?

How is it he deems it necessary to counter Flood arguments, and yet you guys here deem it necessary only to go to autodenial mode and say NUH-UH?

"Duuuuuuh, no sir, that's not what happened, even though the Bible says otherwise. And uuuuuh no, that didn't happen either because Darwin says otherwise. And nope, that didn't happen either because this rock formation couldn't have been sculpted by an omniscient God, who created the rock in the first place."

Isn't it amazing that you can look at the same thing I look at ... like meandering rivers ... and you see Mother Nature taking millions of years to do it, and I seeing God taking just a few months?

I dont care whats in the bible as the bible isnt evidence for anything in science.

As soon as you use magic (or as you call it, miracles) you leave rationality and can be ignored in scientific debates.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I dont care whats in the bible as the bible isnt evidence for anything in science.

As soon as you use magic (or as you call it, miracles) you leave rationality and can be ignored in scientific debates.

AV has to eventually leave even the Bible behind too. To defend his beliefs he has to make up stories that are not even biblical.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Not so sure--I am reliably informed that there were episodes of widespread flooding associated with the end of the last ice age--the so-called "Black Sea" flood, for example.

Floods happen all the time, every day, somewhere on the planet.

But not a single time did a single flood cover the entire planet.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The Black Sea flood would have killed large numbers of people and completely inundated all the land the author(s) of the story knew about.

Australia doesn't come into it.

Indeed. Neither do Kangaroo's and Koala bears.

As Ricky Gervais once said, it's funny how the authors of these books only seem to be aware of things that were going on within a 50 mile radius.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Compared to the philosophy of evolution, everything is recent.

After all, evolution says the universe started in 13,700,000,000 BC; and the Bible has the universe being created in 4004 BC.

 

[Allandavid]

Why?

We know that Noah sent out a dove that brought back an olive leaf.

This tells me that God re-floraled the earth back to pre-Flood conditions.

Had He not done that, Noah and company would have starved to death waiting for trees that take years to grow and produce fruit.

When in a tight spot, just add magic!

 

[Strathos]

Why?

We know that Noah sent out a dove that brought back an olive leaf.

This tells me that God re-floraled the earth back to pre-Flood conditions.

Had He not done that, Noah and company would have starved to death waiting for trees that take years to grow and produce fruit.

And planted false evidence of geological processes occurring over a span of billions of years in the meantime, just for fun?

 

[Subduction Zone]

And planted false evidence of geological processes occurring over a span of billions of years in the meantime, just for fun?

AV just can't seem to understand that the clear evidence that we see that tells us there was no flood. He hates those Christians that try to explain how it could have happened since they fail so badly. Yet he can't or won't let himself see that by using miracals to explain everything he ends up saying that God lied. For him it is a lost no matter which path that he takes. If he chose reality he would be right, but for some reason he hates that.