Why do people like Seventh-day Adventist and Adventist doctrine?

[stuart lawrence]

The yeast of the Pharisees is hypocrisy Christ said

 

[mmksparbud]

You are just like people I personally knew in the sda church I went to. Relentlessly state:
You must obey the TC while breaking them yourself without caring a less you do so.

Where have we stated that we are saved by the 10 commandments? We have all stated we are saved by grace, we have all refuted your statement. You have not refuted that unrepentant sinners (transgressor of God's law) are saved.

 

[stuart lawrence]

The reason the yeast of the Pharisees was hypocrisy was because they did bot practice what they preached/ demanded of others

 

[mmksparbud]

agree.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Where have we stated that we are saved by the 10 commandments? We have all stated we are saved by grace, we have all refuted your statement. You have not refuted that unrepentant sinners (transgressor of God's law) are saved.

So yet again you completely ignore the fact you have broken one of the TC

Its always the way with those who stress:
You must obey the TC of course

Thank you for being a great example of endorsing my views

 

[stuart lawrence]

Where have we stated that we are saved by the 10 commandments? We have all stated we are saved by grace, we have all refuted your statement. You have not refuted that unrepentant sinners (transgressor of God's law) are saved.

And now you are afraid to state whether you believe a requirement to enter heaven is obeying the TC.
You haven't much confidence in your beliefs have you

 

[mmksparbud]

So yet again you completely ignore the fact you have broken one of the TC

Its always the way with those who stress:
You must obey th es TC of course

Thank you for being a great example of endorsing my views

I endorse the view that God has expressed in His word. We are saved by grace and you still will not refute that unrepentant sinners are saved.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I endorse the view that God has expressed in His word. We are saved by grace and you still will not refute that unrepentant sinners are saved.

As everyone knows, I wanted to discuss the subject with you, but you were frightened to answer a very simple question.
You then proceeded to break one of the TC and now seem frightened to state whether a person must obey the TC as a requirement to enter heaven

 

[mmksparbud]

And now you are afraid to state whether you believe a requirement to enter heaven is obeying the TC.
You haven't much confidence in your beliefs have you

Not in my believes, in the word of God Almighty, yes. And He says we are saved by grace and I have not read anywhere that states an unrepentant sinner is saved, if you have pleace quote it.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

I have come to the conclusion that the posts by Lawrence comes down to one basic issue and it is the rejection of the Sabbath of Creation. The 4th commandment

This is a post he made #745

Putting aside the specific wording of the fourth commandment i agree with you.

So what Lawrence is saying is that he agreed with the other 9 commandments but he needs to change GOD'S word of the 4th commandment to fit his interpretation of Paul's writing concerning the ceremonial law Sabbaths that were fulfilled by Christ..

There is a verse in the Bible that address the statement that he made. It is the last two versus in the Bible.
Rev 22
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Not in my believes, in the word of God Almighty, yes. And He says we are saved by grace and I have not read anywhere that states an unrepentant sinner is saved, if you have pleace quote it.

Well all can see you are obviously afraid to answer questions put to you, you have no confidence to answer.
I will have to assume you dont know if a requirement to enter heaven is obeying the TC
Frankly discussion with you on this basis is pointless

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Would you agree, sin can only seperate us from God through the law?
For without the law sin is dead rom7:8

Technically yes but the issue is not the law, the issue is the sin. The law just gives knowledge of sin. The sin problem is why God gives grace. Some suggest that God plan was to get rid of the law in order to solve the sin problem but the solution has always been grace.

The law was created by God and it is holy, just and good. Why would God want to get rid of something that is holy just and good and gives us a knowledge of wrong and right.

In Romans 7 many people miss that fact that Paul is writing this from the perspective of a carnal man, not a spiritual man. Someone who is abiding by the flesh, not the spirit. When someone is carnally minded the law will mean death to them because they obviously will continue to fall into sin. Romans 8: 6-7
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Verse 7 in the ESV says:
For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I have come to the conclusion that the posts by Lawrence comes down to one basic issue and it is the rejection of the Sabbath of Creation. The 4th commandment

This is a post he made #745


So what Lawrence is saying is that he agreed with the other 9 commandments but he needs to change GOD'S word of the 4th commandment to fit his interpretation of Paul's writing concerning the ceremonial law Sabbaths that were fulfilled by Christ..

There is a verse in the Bible that address the statement that he made. It is the last two versus in the Bible.
Rev 22
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

May I ask?
Are you a seventh day Adventist?

 

[mmksparbud]

Well all can see you are obviously afraid to answer questions put to you, you have no confidence to answer.
I will have to assume you dont know if a requirement to enter heaven is obeying the TC
Frankly discussion with you on this basis is pointless

I don't know who you are talking to, I don't think anyone else is interested in us repeating the same thing over and over.
I have answered you. We believe we are saved by grace---quote me where the bible says an unrepentant sinner (transgressor of Gods' law) is saved.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Technically yes but the issue is not the law, the issue is the sin. The law just gives knowledge of sin. The sin problem is why God gives grace. Some suggest that God plan was to get rid of the law in order to solve the sin problem but the solution has always been grace.

The law was created by God and it is holy, just and good. Why would God want to get rid of something that is holy just and good and gives us a knowledge of wrong and right.

In Romans 7 many people miss that fact that Paul is writing this from the perspective of a carnal man, not a spiritual man. Someone who is abiding by the flesh, not the spirit. When someone is carnally minded the law will mean death to them because they obviously will continue to fall into sin. Romans 8: 6-7
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Verse 7 in the ESV says:
For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.

We agree( and are in a minority) Paul is speaking of his life as a pharisee, not a christian in rom ch7

We also agree the law God desires us to keep has not been annulled. The answer is Christs shed blood at Calvary, grace

 

[stuart lawrence]

I don't know who you are talking to, I don't think anyone else is interested in us repeating the same thing over and over.
I have answered you. We believe we are saved by grace---quote me where the bible says an unrepentant sinner (transgressor of Gods' law) is saved.

So not only do you wilfully without caring a less break one of the TC but say you dont know who I was talking to, which I plainly untrue, and all the time you refuse to answer any questions put to you

 

[stuart lawrence]

Technically yes but the issue is not the law, the issue is the sin. The law just gives knowledge of sin. The sin problem is why God gives grace. Some suggest that God plan was to get rid of the law in order to solve the sin problem but the solution has always been grace.

The law was created by God and it is holy, just and good. Why would God want to get rid of something that is holy just and good and gives us a knowledge of wrong and right.

In Romans 7 many people miss that fact that Paul is writing this from the perspective of a carnal man, not a spiritual man. Someone who is abiding by the flesh, not the spirit. When someone is carnally minded the law will mean death to them because they obviously will continue to fall into sin. Romans 8: 6-7
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Verse 7 in the ESV says:
For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.

In rom ch7 from verse 7 onwards Paul is speaking of the result of earnestly living under a law of righteousness. He used one of the TC as an example of why he had to die to a law of righteousness.

Which shows the error of those who say Paul was only referring to Torah, not the TC when he stresses the Christian must die to the law( of righteousness)

 

[stuart lawrence]

I have come to the conclusion that the posts by Lawrence comes down to one basic issue and it is the rejection of the Sabbath of Creation. The 4th commandment

This is a post he made #745


So what Lawrence is saying is that he agreed with the other 9 commandments but he needs to change GOD'S word of the 4th commandment to fit his interpretation of Paul's writing concerning the ceremonial law Sabbaths that were fulfilled by Christ..

There is a verse in the Bible that address the statement that he made. It is the last two versus in the Bible.
Rev 22
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Well this is what Paul ACTUALLY wrote:
One man considers one day more sacred/ holy than another. Another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind
Rom14:5

To bes fair, there are plenty of Christians who observe a specific Saturday Sabbath who dont try and insist everyone else must for they accept what Paul wrote in rom 14:5

Wonderful examples of Christianity

 

[BobRyan]

From what sda members state in this thread i guess they believe Paul was a false apostle

Given the volumes of texts I have given from Paul - and your insistence on ignoring them - that false accusation you make at that point is most glaring.

 

[mmksparbud]

So not only do you wilfully without caring a less break one of the TC but say you dont know who I was talking to, which I plainly untrue, and all the time you refuse to answer any questions put to you

But I don't know who you are talking to!! You make comments like this:

I hope you all notice this.

I have answered you, I said we believe we are saved by grace, you are the one that has refused to answer my question if an unrepentant sinner can be saved, and you have not refuted you believe that they can be.