My Colorado Challenge

[AV1611VET]

But the physics of a canyon are very different physics to a bobby pin.

I totally agree.

YES to the bobby pin, or NO?

 

[AV1611VET]

It is. In fact it is by a huge amount. In many places there no dry land you can stand upon at the bottom and the rims on opposing sides are separated by over a mile.

Cool!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It is. In fact it is by a huge amount. In many places there no dry land you can stand upon at the bottom and the rims on opposing sides are separated by over a mile.

Having said that, if the strata were different, the top layer could be undercut so that, in places, the top could be narrower than the sides....

Just sayin'.

 

[AV1611VET]

Having said that, if the strata were different, the top layer could be undercut so that, in places, the top could be narrower than the sides....

Just sayin'.

But not narrower than the river itself ... correct?

 

[keith99]

But not narrower than the river itself ... correct?

Actually no. It can be wider at the bottom than at the top. I'm pretty sure there are examples of that at Zion Canyon, if not the main river at least in some of the tributaries. I'm positive it exists in some micro canyons in Valley of Fire State Park.

 

[AV1611VET]

Actually no.

Thank you, sir.

Did you see my bobby pin question?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

AV, really? What point are you trying to make?

 

[AV1611VET]

AV, really? What point are you trying to make?

If the Grand Canyon was formed when God pulled Eden (Pangaea) apart in Peleg's time, how would it be indistinguishable in form (wider at the top, narrower at the bottom) from what it looks like today?

 

[jacks]

Thank you.

I agree.

Next question:

If you pulled a bobby pin apart slightly, wouldn't it be wider at the top than at the bottom as well?

Finally a question I know the answer to! Yes it would.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

If the Grand Canyon was formed when God pulled Eden (Pangaea) apart in Peleg's time, how would it be indistinguishable in form (wider at the top, narrower at the bottom) from what it looks like today?

... ah, of course. Yes, it would look indistinguishable, but then obviously God would have to have to be a deceiver for planting evidence that the Grand Canyon was formed by several million years worth of erosion.

 

[Colter]

If the Grand Canyon was formed by the Colorado River, wouldn't you expect it to be widest at the top than at the bottom?

The Grand Canyon wasn't formed by the Colorado River exclusively. It was formed by a dence geological anomaly deep bellow the Colorado Platue in the lithosphere which effectively pulled the valleys down.

 

[AV1611VET]

Finally a question I know the answer to! Yes it would.
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Thank you, jacks!

You're a gentleman and a scholar!

 

[AV1611VET]

... ah, of course. Yes, it would look indistinguishable, but then obviously God would have to have to be a deceiver for planting evidence that the Grand Canyon was formed by several million years worth of erosion.

Really?

Suppose the Grand Canyon came first ... then the Colorado River?

 

[AV1611VET]

The Grand Canion wasn't formed by the Colorado River exclusively. It was formed by a dence geological anomaly deep bellow the Colorado Platue in the lithosphere which effectively pulled the valleys down.

Close ... very close.

 

[[serious]]

Why?

I'm just asking that, if it was formed by the Colorado River, wouldn't it be widest at the top?

Or, at the very least, wouldn't it be wider at the top than at the level of the river itself?

Yes, in general. arches and such can form, but generally the hand canyon is widest at the top.

I'll answer your challenges even if you can't answer mine

 

[AV1611VET]

I'll answer your challenges even if you can't answer mine

Well, you're a nice man!

 

[[serious]]

Thank you.

I agree.

Next question:

If you pulled a bobby pin apart slightly, wouldn't it be wider at the top than at the bottom as well?

Well, if you held it so the wider end was at the top, by definition the wider end would be on top. the opening is not the top in normal usage though

 

[keith99]

If the Grand Canyon was formed when God pulled Eden (Pangaea) apart in Peleg's time, how would it be indistinguishable in form (wider at the top, narrower at the bottom) from what it looks like today?

Very much so. The Grand Canyon shows the classic tributary system of rivers. It is NOT a single linear canyon. There are several side canyons that would be impressive on their own if they were almost anywhere else.

Have you ever been to The Grand Canyon? I have. I have also seen Zion and Bryce canyons. And I've seen a meandering section of the Colorado several miles downstream of Glen Canyon Damn where the river is thousands of feet straight down that still has instances of the meander being cut off, something that makes perfect sense if the river eroded the rock over time and no sense at all for a single event.

 

[[serious]]

If the Grand Canyon was formed when God pulled Eden (Pangaea) apart in Peleg's time, how would it be indistinguishable in form (wider at the top, narrower at the bottom) from what it looks like today?

It would be distinguishable in form in that it wouldn't have all those meanders.

Try pulling apart a peice of clay to form something like this

 

[AV1611VET]

It would be distinguishable in form in that it wouldn't have all those meanders.

I've addressed the meanderings before, but I'll do it again here.

Psalm 104:6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
Psalm 104:7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
Psalm 104:8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.

When the Flood was over, and it was time for the waters to go away, God didn't just blow them off the Earth.

Instead, He ordered the waters to go to a "placed founded for them" (rendezvous point) by going "up by the mountains" and "down by the valleys."

In other words, they meandered their way to a rendezvous point and were siphoned off the Earth.

Notice the serpentine etchings?

The earth bears marks of Satan having been responsible for God sending the Flood.

Just a theory of mine.