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How is it particularly useful to do that, from a Mormon perspective? Is there something conveyed by using Yahweh and El instead of English?
Frequently when dealing with people of different faiths, it's nice to go back to the common root Hebrew.
 
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Yes, but in what way does that specific change (from English to Hebrew) help? And isn't that assuming quite a bit about your interlocutor? Maybe Miknik5 is particularly attached to Judaic elements of Christianity, or maybe not. I don't see how you can know that so as to know whether or not using another language actually helps facilitate conversation and understanding between people. It seems just as (if not more) likely that a person could see that and think "Ohhh...I'm dealing with a Judaizer", and hence be more dismissive than they otherwise would've been if you had kept it all in English, as this is an English-language message board.
 
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Yes, but in what way does that specific change (from English to Hebrew) help? And isn't that assuming quite a bit about your interlocutor? Maybe Miknik5 is particularly attached to Judaic elements of Christianity, or maybe not. I don't see how you can know that so as to know whether or not using another language actually helps facilitate conversation and understanding between people. It seems just as (if not more) likely that a person could see that and think "Ohhh...I'm dealing with a Judaizer", and hence be more dismissive than they otherwise would've been if you had kept it all in English, as this is an English-language message board.
I fail to see how using basic Hebrew is somehow offensive...
 
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How is it particularly useful to do that, from a Mormon perspective? Is there something conveyed by using Yahweh and El instead of English?


The worship of El has become lost to apostasy and the word God has been diluted down to mean a lot of different things, from false gods to the mixture of the Trinity. By using El it helps me to single out El as a separate individual. He is the supreme God or deity the Father of us all.

Malachi wrote "Have we not all one father/ab? hath not one God/El created us?
 
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We believe Jesus is Yahweh the Son El. He created this earth under the directions of El. He came from the presences of the Fatherr/El to bring us the word or message of El. That message is the Yahweh/Jesus is bringing us the Atonement and saving us from our sins.
Whose SPIRIT was in JESUS?

I can't seem
To get a straight answer regarding the divinity of JESUS CHRIST. THE SON of GOD...THE SON of man
 
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As I said, humans are fickle and quick to abandon God. Humans abandoned God's teaching-- corrupted it with falsehoods, and because of that He took His authority away. God did not take the Truth away: humans throw it away.
For what purpose did HE take it away from man?

And was that purpose foreknown?Just as GOD already foreknew
humans foolish fickle forgetful spirit?

Do you think Ezekiel 36 pretty much sums up the reason why GOD took it away from humans and gave it to the ONE and ONLY who could fully manifest and glorify HIS NAME as HOLY amongst all nations?
 
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Whose SPIRIT was in JESUS?

I can't seem
To get a straight answer regarding the divinity of JESUS CHRIST. THE SON of GOD...THE SON of man
Posted to withwonderingawe

Waiting for a response from him

And by the way sir. I remember you and your old avatar? A man holding a baby if I remember correctly?
 
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Whose SPIRIT was in JESUS?

I can't seem
To get a straight answer regarding the divinity of JESUS CHRIST. THE SON of GOD...THE SON of man

I'll try to make this clear as I can. I fine people are use to hearing the Trinity concept have ust as hard of time wrapping there head round our concept as I do around the Trinity.

God the Father El is as immortal exalted and glorified man. His physical nature is made of three different parts. His intelligence which is un-created, this intelligence is placed within his spirit and his spirit is within a physical body. This is the absolute state of physical perfection. (ah-la a Trinity)

Yahweh was going through the same process, Yahweh was the spirit who moved upon the face of the waters, who appeared to Moses and spoke to him face to face. He as a spirit entered the little mortal body of the baby Jesus. This made him fully deity yet at the same time mortal. Upon his resurrection Jesus too reached this state of perfection, he said on the third day I shall be perfected.

The third member of the Godhead the Holy Ghost is yet in his spirit form at some point he will take upon himself flesh and be perfected.
 
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I'll try to make this clear as I can. I fine people are use to hearing the Trinity concept have ust as hard of time wrapping there head round our concept as I do around the Trinity.

God the Father El is as immortal exalted and glorified man. His physical nature is made of three different parts. His intelligence which is un-created, this intelligence is placed within his spirit and his spirit is within a physical body. This is the absolute state of physical perfection. (ah-la a Trinity)

Yahweh was going through the same process, Yahweh was the spirit who moved upon the face of the waters, who appeared to Moses and spoke to him face to face. He as a spirit entered the little mortal body of the baby Jesus. This made him fully deity yet at the same time mortal. Upon his resurrection Jesus too reached this state of perfection, he said on the third day I shall be perfected.

The third member of the Godhead the Holy Ghost is yet in his spirit form at some point he will take upon himself flesh and be perfected.
Oh boy. This is not the absolute state of perfection for flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom

And GOD is the I AM. HE is the same and does not change.

HE was not one state and became

HE IS
 
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Whose SPIRIT was in JESUS?

I can't seem
To get a straight answer regarding the divinity of JESUS CHRIST. THE SON of GOD...THE SON of man
Jesus is Spirit but He is not the Holy Ghost. Heavenly Father is Spirit but He is not the Holy Ghost. You are spirit but you are not the Holy Ghost.
There are many spirits but there is only one Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is one of Heavenly Father's Sons. Jesus and the Holy Ghost are Brothers. Father is God. Son is God. The Holy Ghost is God. Three of Them are one Godhead.
Here is your straight answer. If I am wrong my brothers and sisters will correct me.
 
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And GOD is the I AM. HE is the same and does not change.
what did He mean when He said that He doesn't change?
HE was not one state and became
HE IS
You just made this up. You can prove that you didn't make this up by telling me what scripture you just quoted.
 
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This is not the absolute state of perfection for flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom
What about Christ's resurrected body? The scriptures are extremely clear that He was resurrected with a physical body of flesh. Do you find this to be unclean?

And GOD is the I AM. HE is the same and does not change.
Change in Perfection, Will, or Course? Nope.
But His form can change. He had no body before being born of Mary, then had a mortal body, and then was resurrected with a glorified body.
 
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what did He mean when He said that He doesn't change?

You just made this up. You can prove that you didn't make this up by telling me what scripture you just quoted.
I AM

We aren't.
Show me where GOD moves from one state of being to another state of being

HE is the same. Yesterday today and tomorrow

I didn't make anything up

You implied that GOD was once this and now has "become" this

And HE doesn't change and HE doesn't strive and move to a completed end

HE is the same...from the beginning and to the end

We on the other hand move and strive to a completed end. And yet it is only in HIM that we move and have our TRUE BEING

Show me by the scriptures where GOD changed HIMSELF and had to move from point A to point B to come to a completed and perfected end
 
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