For all eternity - "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before God to Worship"

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Then there's the rest of it ,as He spoke of the new covenant- God's will is His perfect commandments, which tell us what sin is.
VS 16- Same chapter
This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Yes, and again ,
What about the lawless one ? Far from TORAH (it is written).

And what about what is in their minds who are lawless ?
It's not very peaceful nor orderly, is it ?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

? Can we say "We are glad when our kids get out of high school, that they no longer read nor write nor do what is required of them - they can now just be given what they need to live by our very generous government, and they don't have to do anything to get it"

 

[BABerean2]

Also, just before 10:9 of your post, it was talking about burnt offering, which is Mosaic law. It has ZERO to do with God's commandments. Those were nailed to the cross with the ultimate sacrifice.

Someone is very confused. It is either you or the Apostle Paul.

The Sinai covenant is the 10 commandments written on the tablets of stone.

Exo 34:28　 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.　


Gal 4:24　 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—
　
Gal 4:25　 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children—　

Here Paul compares the Sinai covenant to "bondage".

Gal 4:26　 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.　

Hebrews 11:16 shows this to be the heavenly Jerusalem found in Hebrews 12:22-24.


Gal 4:30　 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? "CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON, FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREEWOMAN."　

Here, Paul compels the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai covenant of bondage. The inheritance does not come through the Sinai covenant.

Gal 4:31　 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.　

We are the children of the other covenant.

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[Bob S]

? Can we say "We are glad when our kids get out of high school, that they no longer read nor write nor do what is required of them - they can now just be given what they need to live by our very generous government, and they don't have to do anything to get it"

I guess then we can say you do not believe what Paul wrote and we are to go with your argument instead? Those who deny scripture and tell us something entirely different places them in a precarious situation.

The new covenant has the Royal Law of Love which has many moral principles not just 9 that were contained in the ministry of death. 2Cor3:7-11

 

[Bob S]

If we are supposed to have the old covenant law written on our hearts then why doesn't the Holy Spirit prompt people to observe the the Sabbath command given only to Israel? It would seem like people would be flooding into Sabbath compliant churches by the droves. The fact is that the church I am well acquainted with, SDAs, spend millions upon millions trying to persuade people to join their ranks and they might get a handful signed up. That being the case, I, for one, do not believe those of you who are spreading your belief that the old covenant is what is written on our hearts. I believe it is the Royal Law of Love that God plants on the hearts of man. I see that love working every day in the people I meet and in myself. I have never had any inclination to become old covenant ritual compliant.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

Thanks Bob. I will study on it. It'll be tonight. I only use the KJV. The others are tampered with. Maybe not so much on these verses, as I haven't yet compared, but in many places. Too many to count. Peace be with you. Also keep in mind that even Paul's brethren try to explain that Paul's writings were seemingly at odds with there self, even though they really aren't, and he makes many clarifications about the commandments and the Sabbath in other places. Good day, sirs.....and possibly- ladies.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

Colossians 2 (what was nailed)

13 And you, who were once dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has granted to live with Him, having forgiven you all your sins,
14 and, by his mandates, he canceled the legal contract*1 of our sins, which existed against us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His torture stake.

*1
1 This word in both Aramaic and Greek is a legal contract that we owe YHWH for the penalty of our sins. When someone was crucified in ancient times they would literally carry the cross beam to the crucifixion site and it would be nailed above them to the tree that was being used. The penalty of what they were being crucified for was written on the beam for all to see (Joh 19:19-20). This scripture is stating that as we are buried with Him in our baptism, He is also taking the penalty for our sins and applying His sacrifice to our penalty, so when we come up from the water our sins are completely paid for by the shed blood of Yahshua Messiah..

Which Bible version do you use?
The "handwriting of ordinances" (KJV) which is the ceremonial law written by Moses' hand is what it refers to. All the ones about animal sacrifice and such, as Christ did away with all that. Since they really had no formal charge in which to execute Him, they wrote King of the Jews in 3 languages and posted it where the typical charge and sentence would be, as a mockery . Also, even though Pilot was mocking Him, he fulfilled scripture when he presented Him as such to the people. It's kinda cool how scripture comes to pass, regardless of how. Peace be with you.

 

[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

If we are supposed to have the old covenant law written on our hearts then why doesn't the Holy Spirit prompt people to observe the the Sabbath command given only to Israel? - Bob S

He did me. -lol .As I stated before, I'm not SDA. I was observing the Sabbath prior to really knowing anything about them. Keep in mind also that I had no prior influence of any particular denomination either. As I began to learn about world history and Rome in general with her trampling of God's law and the murder of millions, I knew I was on the right track, especially since the prophecies the Holy Spirit allowed me to understand happen to align with what they teach and happen to line up with history and scripture. There is a Counter-Reformation in place, which you can see through the work of the papacy, and you can see the effects in the many denominations today as they are absorbed back into the mother church, along with the simple fact that Protestants no longer know what it means to be such, as the wound heals. Prior to 1900, it was common knowledge as to her role. She even claims that Sunday, the venerable day of pagan worship , is her day through her traditions and that all who keep her day pay homage to her. That in itself would make me question what day I keep and would make me study very humbly to the fact that things may not actually be as they appear. Other than that, I have no logical explanation. I am thankful though , beyond means of expression. Peace be with you.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"If we are supposed to have the old covenant law written on our hearts then why doesn't the Holy Spirit prompt people to observe the the Sabbath command given only to Israel?" - Bob S

With presumptions like just these 3(there are more implied or suspected),
what kind of answer would anyone "expect" ?
"IF"?
"old"?
"only"?

He did me. -lol .As I stated before, I'm not SDA.I was observing the Sabbath prior to really knowing anything about them. Keep in mind also that I had no prior influence of any particular denomination either.

Anyone reading SCRIPTURE, without any prior knowledge of history, religion , false teachers, doctrines of man or doctrines of religion or doctrines of demons,
may come to know YHWH'S WAY, YHWH WILLING.

As I began to learn about world history and Rome in general with her trampling of God's law and the murder of millions, I knew I was on the right track

YHWH always confirms HIS WORD. Yes.

 

[BABerean2]

If we are supposed to have the old covenant law written on our hearts then why doesn't the Holy Spirit prompt people to observe the the Sabbath command given only to Israel? - Bob S

He did me. -lol .As I stated before, I'm not SDA. I was observing the Sabbath prior to really knowing anything about them. Keep in mind also that I had no prior influence of any particular denomination either. As I began to learn about world history and Rome in general with her trampling of God's law and the murder of millions, I knew I was on the right track, especially since the prophecies the Holy Spirit allowed me to understand happen to align with what they teach and happen to line up with history and scripture. There is a Counter-Reformation in place, which you can see through the work of the papacy, and you can see the effects in the many denominations today as they are absorbed back into the mother church, along with the simple fact that Protestants no longer know what it means to be such, as the wound heals. Prior to 1900, it was common knowledge as to her role. She even claims that Sunday, the venerable day of pagan worship , is her day through her traditions and that all who keep her day pay homage to her. That in itself would make me question what day I keep and would make me study very humbly to the fact that things may not actually be as they appear. Other than that, I have no logical explanation. I am thankful though , beyond means of expression. Peace be with you.

I am also a "Sabbath Keeper".
However, I do not keep a day. I keep the Lord of the Sabbath inside of me every day of the week, through the Spirit which He sent.

Meeting on the first day of the week is not wicked.

Act 20:7　 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.　


1Co 16:1　 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.　
1Co 16:2　 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.


The day was the shadow. The Body is Christ.

Col 2:16　 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:　
Col 2:17　 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.　

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[yeshuaslavejeff]

I guess then we can say you do not believe what Paul wrote and we are to go with your argument instead?

You can keep guessing. Or ask YHWH. Perhaps HE is willing to , um..... , .... um .... .... well, perhaps HE is willing... (I don't think HE is)

 

[BABerean2]

You can keep guessing. Or ask YHWH. Perhaps HE is willing to , um..... , .... um .... .... well, perhaps HE is willing... (I don't think HE is)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The first quote: did not make sense referring to Sabbath, so I innocently and blamelessly thought he was referring to when Y'SHUA RETURNS.
Until you posted this quote, (which I only just now saw),
and I went back to see what you meant, did I see that for some reason he (may have) meant Sabbath and not the end of the world/society/ or when Y'SHUA RETURNS.

If you had noted what I posted, particularly in Revelation "gruesome", you might have realized nothing is "gruesome" about the Sabbath,
and
perhaps
remembered that in Revelation most of the whole world is executed
....
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I think it takes MANY MONTHS to pick up the dead bodies,
and the
blood flowing is "gruesome" DEEP..... (no matter if it is direct observation or metaphor -- the reality is billions executed).

Sounds similar to the prophecied destruction of OC Jerusalem in 70 ad.
All of it happens in Isreal and mainly Judea, not the whole world, IMHO..

I do wonder how long it took to cleanup and bury the millions of bodies around Judea and all of Israel after this event?

Ezekiel 39:
13 Yes, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown in the day that I shall be glorified, says the Lord Yahweh.
17"As for you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Speak to every kind of bird and to every beast of the field, "Assemble and come, gather from every side to My sacrifice which I am going to sacrifice for you, as a great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel, that you may eat flesh and drink blood.

Revelation 19:18
17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of Yahweh,..........

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah!..............

Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, to which must be added, above TWO-HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND who perished in other places, and innumerable multitudes who were swept away by famine, and pestilence, and of which no calculation could be made....
This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A. D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months, the Romans having invested the city on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.

Revelation 9:5
The locusts were not given power to kill them, but only to torment them for five months, and their torment was like the stinging of a scorpion.


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[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

Meeting on the first day of the week is not wicked.

Act 20:7　 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.　

They broke bread most days, somewhere. And bringing grain to the storehouse- they surely wouldn't have carried it on Sabbath. Think about this, making everyday a Sabbath is impossible , unless you want to starve. Plus it makes His hallowed day just like any other. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, correct, and the verse proceeding it says: The Sabbath was made for man and not the man for Sabbath, correct? Sabbath is the seventh day, blessed and sanctified. Paganism brought Sun-day worship. A product of 600 years of Roman paganism. It just is what it is. Like I said, for that reason alone, I'd keep Tuesday before I would a Sunday. But I don't.

The locusts were not given power to kill them, but only to torment them for five months, and their torment was like the stinging of a scorpion.

This 5 months is the same day/year timeline as used in the 70 weeks of Daniel. It's the last 150 years of the Ottoman Empire, right before the area fell back under Christian rule. If you look at a map of the area covered when locusts plagues hit the middle East and eastern Europe, it's virtually the same area demographically that the Ottoman Empire covered. All these accounts are chronological. Many futurists teach that the tribulation is shortened from 3 1/2 years to 5 mos. and neither have anything to do with future events. How they got the 5 from the other, especially. All the futurism teachings came from Rome. The three and a half, 42 mos. Times, time and dividing of time are all the 1260 years Rome ruled in the dark ages. It too is the day/year prophetic timeline that Daniel follows. Its the biggest reason Jesus said to study Daniel. Daniel holds the keys to Revelation. Peace be with you.

 

[BABerean2]

making everyday a Sabbath is impossible , unless you want to starve.

Mat 12:1　 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat.　

Mat 12:2　 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, "Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!"
　
Mat 12:3　 But He said to them, "Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him:
　
Mat 12:4　 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests?　

Mat 12:5　 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless?　

Mat 12:6　 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.　

Mat 12:7　 But if you had known what this means, 'I DESIRE MERCY AND NOT SACRIFICE,' you would not have condemned the guiltless.
　
Mat 12:8　 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."　

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We are not under the Sinai covenant and our inheritance does not come through the Sinai covenant.

Gal 3:17　 And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.　

Gal 3:18　 For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.　


The Sabbath day is the "sign" of the Sinai covenant given to the children of Israel, just as circumcisions was the "sign" of the Abrahamic covenant.


Exo_31:13　 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.


Christ fulfilled both covenants at Calvary.

Gal 3:28　 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.　

Gal 3:29　 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.　

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[Sabbathkeeper&Wife]

What is sin? Sure we desire mercy and we live our lives in faith, as grace and eternal life is the gift of God. Each day we strive to be more like Christ. We will never measure up, but yet we are supposed to try. What do we repent from? What do we desire mercy from? Sin. God dictates what sin is. The moral law shows us what sin is. Sabbath was made on the very first week, way before any other as a sign between God and man. I ask again, what is sin?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

For one thing, anything that is wrong is sin.
(simplified paraphrase)

 

[BABerean2]

The moral law shows us what sin is. Sabbath was made on the very first week, way before any other as a sign between God and man. I ask again, what is sin?

The term "moral law" is not found in the Bible. It is an invention of Judaisers who cannot let go of the Sinai covenant.

The Jewish leadership accused Jesus of not keeping the Sabbath.
He most certainly did not sin.

Paul specifically told us not to do what you are doing, based on Colossians 2:16-17, if you are claiming that not keeping a Sabbath day is sin.

There is nothing wrong with the Sinai covenant. There is something wrong with us.
This is why we are under another covenant.

We are now under a New Covenant as revealed in Galatians chapter 4 and Hebrews chapter 8.

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[BobRyan]

The term "moral law" is not found in the Bible. It is an invention of Judaisers who cannot let go of the Sinai covenant.

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The little fictions people invent end up being short-lived rabbit trails.

So then what would be an example of such pro-Sunday scholarship that pertains to the 7 point summary list just posted?

Here we have section 19 of the Westminster - and of course you already have a few posts of mine quoting the "Baptist Confession of Faith"

Westminster Confession of Faith Section 19

"Westminster Confession of Faith"

Chapter XIX
Of the Law of God​

I. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which He bound him and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience, promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it, and endued him with power and ability to keep it.

II. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables: the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six, our duty to man.
III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;l and partly, holding forth divers instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament

IV. To them also, as a body politic, He gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the State of that people; not obliging under any now, further than the general equity thereof may require.

V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof; and that, not only in regard of the matter contained in it, but also in respect of the authority of God the Creator, who gave it. Neither does Christ, in the Gospel, any way dissolve, but much strengthen this obligation.
VI. Although true believers be not under the law, as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified, or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life informing them of the will of God, and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of His obedience It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin: and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve; and what afflictions, in this life, they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law The promises of it, in like manner, show them God's approbation of obedience,and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof: although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works. So as, a man's doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourages to the one and deters from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law: and not under grace

VII. Neither are the forementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely, and cheerfully, which the will of God, revealed in the law, requires to be done.

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Section 21 of the Westminster and Section 22 of the Baptist both address point 7 "the change" the edit of the Sabbath commandment from the 7th day starting from creation and all through the OT and NT Gospel until the cross where it is "changed" in their mind -- to point to week-day-1

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V. The moral law does forever bind all, as well justified persons as others, to the obedience thereof;

III. Besides this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws,

 

[BobRyan]

the Baptist Confession of Faith as edited by C.H. Spurgeon

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Baptist Confession of Faith Section 19

Section 19:

C.H. Spurgeon's edition of the "Baptist Confession of Faith"
-- CH Spurgeon

The Perpetuity of the Law of God

Very great mistakes have been made about the law. Not long ago there were those about us who affirmed that the law is utterly abrogated and abolished, and they openly taught that believers were not bound to make the moral law the rule of their lives. What would have been sin in other men they counted to be no sin in themselves. From such Antinomianism as that may God deliver us. We are not under the law as the method of salvation, but we delight to see the law in the hand of Christ, and desire to obey the Lord in all things. Others have been met with who have taught that Jesus mitigated and softened down the law, and they have in effect said that the perfect law of God was too hard for imperfect beings, and therefore God has given us a milder and easier rule. These tread dangerously upon the verge of terrible error, although we believe that they are little aware of it.​

Section 19 of the "Baptist Confession of Faith" .
Section 19​

. The Law of God

• God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.

• The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the TEN COMMANDMENTS, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.

• Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away. ​

• To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.

The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it __________________​

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More references to the "Moral law of God"

The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others,

Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws

The term "moral law" is not found in the Bible. It is an invention of Judaisers who cannot let go of the Sinai covenant.

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The little fictions people invent end up being short-lived rabbit trails.