Is it time for Donald to bow out? (MOVED)

[Tull]

That doesn't negate Trump being one.

political ideology Trumps all

 

[Tull]

The American political scene would be much better and more calm if people just admitted that they support candidates as a means to an end in regard to an agenda instead of this nonsense about finding a saint to occupy an office when no such thing exist in politics to begin with....its as if people want to assign themselves a certain amount of credibility by voting for a certain individual and when that individual is found to be much less than honorable then the excuses and hypocrisy begin.

 

[DanielbenYosef]

Well. I think Donald should not step down. He never claimed to be a saint unlike most other conservatives with a lot of corrupt secrets. He's the best. I believe God will use him to beat the democrats because ever since Obama came on stage, politics have been dirty and the conservatives can't beat them. Ideologies have been changed and it's time for the Republicans to change all that using Donald trump. i do not think he would run for a second term but even if he does, Pence will have his chance after Trump. Americans should support Trump else Hillary would sell America to terrorists, traitors and criminals who are only thinking about themselves and their scary agenda not only for america but for the world.

 

[Vi]

I've been alive long enough to believe the only difference in these candidates and past candidates is the availability of media and information, and the constant bombardment of it on social media, revealing the true nature of the candidates, something that used to be concealed in past years

 

[BearerBob]

Trump said. Hillary's husband actually raped and sexually assaulted women, and Hillary insulted and destroyed the victims.
This whole thing is hilarious. The media and the Dems didn't care when Bill was raping and assaulting, but Trump saying something, that Hillary herself has said just as bad, is a huge deal. It's just partisan crap.

 

[Vicomte13]

It's not JUST his bragging about sexual assault. It's been a long, long stream of utterly indefensible remarks. He is an immature narcissist. Trump running the country is like a child driving a car. It would be a fiasco if he wins. God forbid! Even corrupt Hillary would be better.

Trump and Hillary are both deeply flawed human beings. So am I. I will be casting my vote for Trump for precisely three reasons:

(1) The Supreme Court. Trump already put out the list of judges that he will be drawing from for the Supreme Court and, presumably, the federal appellate courts. This is a list of solid, apparently pro-life (as far as such things can be determined) jurists. The Supreme Court has been in Republican hands since 1969, and has been the most effective check on Obama and the Democrats in recent years (Congress has completely capitulated). With Trump, I will get a more pro-life court, and be approaching a majority to overturn Roe v Wade. There are three more justices over 80, one of them sick, two of them Democrats. The next President will gain control of the Court for his or her party, and may gain generational super-majority control. Trump's list of judges is the most pro-life in Republican history (remember: Reagan put O'Connor and Kennedy on the Court, H.W. Bush put Souter, W. put Roberts, and tried to put Harriet Myers). Trump has provided a list of pro-life judges he'll appoint. Nobody before him has. So, with Trump, there is a real shot of getting Roe overturned.

With Hillary, I get a five, then six, liberal rubber-stamp court. The Republican Supreme Court, not Congress (they won't close the government) has been THE check on Obama's use of Executive Orders to regulate everything he wants into being. If Hillary wins, the Supreme Court will rubber stamp her Executive Orders and she will rapidly impose her entire agenda. Congress will be powerless to stop her. This will directly lead to:

(2) Amnesty, Path to Citizenship, and One Party Rule for the rest of my life. Obama has used executive power to prevent any real crackdown on illegals, and has connived at a quasi-amnesty, but the Supreme Court control has left him unable to do it. Hillary will control the Supreme Court, and she will very quickly implement an executive amnesty program, including a path to citizenship. Congress will twist its mouth impotently. She will also use her court to aggressively stamp out all voter ID laws in America, opening up the floodgates to illegal voting and increasing the margin of fraud. These two expedients will ensure her re-election.

We already know from past experience with the Clintons that she will aggressively use the FBI and IRS to destroy her primary Republican opponents, and this time she will control the courts. Eight years of that, and the electorate will have shifted by several percentage towards nationalized Latinos, with all of the Republican-installed barriers to fraudulent voters having been torn down across the nation. The Republicans will never win another national election, and they will lose control of Congress and never regain that either.

If Hillary wins, it is over for the Republicans for good. We will have one-party rule for the rest of our lives, and that will mean that the US will turn into Latin America, both in terms of population and governance. There won't be any recovery from that. The demographics of the country stand on a knife edge. With a Hillary win, the future will be decided. So, given that this is the last meaningful election, and one side means that the USA turns into another Latin American banana republic, THIS election matters. The alternative that will stop that is Trump. Regardless of his personal flaws.

If Hillary wins this election, politics will cease to have any meaning. The Democrats will have cemented their monarchic control over the country for the rest of our lives. And that means Los Estados Unidos Norte Americanos, with 100% certainty. That's what's at stake this time, unlike all of the previous elections, BECAUSE OF the Supreme Court.

(3) Russia. Hillary, true to her donors, wants a Cold War. So do the Republicans. Trump is the only one who wants to negotiate peace with the Russians. We are a nation careening towards insolvency. Fight a new Cold War and our decline will be accelerated. Stupidly. We will lose this new Cold War in the end, because a Latin American socialized state cannot stand up to Russia AND China: we have neither the economic power nor the population, nor the will.

So that's it. That's why I think that stopping Hillary is an existential matter. If she wins, she immediately takes control of the Supreme Court, and the changes will come quickly, furiously, and unstoppably. After that point, with control of the media, and the IRS, and the FBI, and the CIA, and the borders, and a rubber-stamp from the Supreme Court to tear down all of the barriers to electoral fraud, nothing will stand in the way of a complete remake of the country in the image of Wellesley College: you can count on it.

 

[Theo Book]

So, after the latest revelation is it time for Donald to bow out? Why or why not? Please let's be adults about this; no polemics which is the reason I posted this here instead of News and Curent Events. Just state your reason for or against based on what you feel fairly certain to be true.

Why? Trump had a potty-mouth a decade and more ago. Hillary's husband allowed Monica Lewinsky to have a sex act with him, under the desk, while he was engaged in a conversation with a foreign dignitary, and she attacked the woman, instead of her husband. THAT IS THE MEANING OF HYPOCRISY!

Hillary has lied about her involvement in so many scandals it is no longer counted, and Trump has admitted the truth, and apologized. And you want HIM to withdraw?

Trump is for control of abortion, Hillary wants it to be paid for by tax-payers; and you want HER to be president?

Morality is trying to make a comeback in this country, Hillary is trying to make it looser than ever; and You want HER for President?

I would much rather have a crass, occasionally potty-mouthed, but shamed Trump, who can get the job done, that to have a Hillary who is protected from the President's office in every criminal act available to a politician, to win the white house. At least of the two, He is the one who can be ashamed, and humbled by circumstances, to the point of apology; While she continues to voice the mantra "Not me, vast right wing conspiracy."

This country is facing a judgment from God, and you want to test His patience?
Abortion, Homosexuality, Sharia law, Muslims with very sharp swords, Liars and thieves in the governance of Congress, and YOU want to give it over to Hillary?

Hillary will load the Supreme court with liberal justices who will tear down this country beyond recognition, and YOU want to give HER that opportunity?

Trump:
1) potty-mouth
2) Questioned business practices
3) unliked by political experts.

Hillary:
1)Cattle futures
2)Vince Foster
3)Women in Bill's life who Hillary attacked and blamed
4)Bengazzi - 4 lives lost
5)Bengazzi - caused by a movie
6)Bengazzi - Marine protection removed in April of '15
7)Bengazzi - Hundred's of appeals for protection ignored completely
8)E-Mails deleted that were under Subpoena - a Felony
9)Foundation built from State Department funds that went missing
10) How many more do you want......
11)Hillary was required by law to turn over to State Department ALL E-mails under her control during her involvement with State department job. She was required to sign a document stating she turned ALL documents of E-mail over before exiting. The document had penalties for failing to do so, and among those penalties was mandatory under felony conviction law; that document was shown on "The Five" in March of 2015, and the next day, the document was changed to read differently. And NO ONE is mentioning that little tad bit of information. WHY was it changed? To eliminate the penalties.

Hillary has way too many felonies on her record to smile smugly and continue to pile them upon piles already constructed, with impunity.

 

[TravisD]

Not sure why the locker room banter would change anyones mind on Trump. It would seem like hypocrisy to change my mind because of the fowl garbage that came out of is mouth more than a decade ago. He apologized and I know I have said worse to my friends. Like Huckabee put it, we are not electing a "Sunday School Teacher". It's sad that it comes down to this but I would definitely take the fowl locker room banter over the fabricated sniper fire story any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

[seashale76]

Trump is a piece of trash. I do not respect him and will not respect him if he ever becomes POTUS.

 

[Theo Book]

Trump is a piece of trash. I do not respect him and will not respect him if he ever becomes POTUS.

I cannot possibly comprehend how Trump's faults affect a woman's mind and soul, but I very much CAN understand how Hillary's lies, felonies, and smug emperilistic attitude affect a Man's mind and soul.

I cannot excuse nor mitigate Trump's past, nor would I want to. But since he IS the alternate choice for President, and the Supreme Court selection becomes of high importance, I do not see how ANY WOMAN can vote for that woman who makes a mockery of the Human race.

Trump Apologizes, while Hillary denies. Which one is more fit for President? Probably neither one, but I know which one of the two, those to whom we are limited as to choice, I would rather pray over, with any hope of answered prayer, and that choice for me, at least, is "The Donald," Apologies and all.

 

[FenderTL5]

I voted no.
Donald Trump is a representation of republicanism in the USA. He's their nominee because he reflects their thoughts and values.

otoh, it is long past time for people who identify as Christian to stop being Republicans and START being the church.

 

[momto3girls]

It apparently was an interview Trump had with Billy Bush. Whether this hot microphone is before or after the actual recorded interview I don't know.
It's telling about the Network that kept the audio, that body of persons that chose to keep the microphone on and record the conversations without Trump's knowledge. And what is seemingly missed is that if Trump is said to need to depart the campaign trail for his remarks, then Billy Bush, who hosts a Hollywood TV show with women, should resign his job instead of apologizing as he's doing now. As is Trump.

Because Bush can be heard yucking it up as Trump talks. And even add's his own remarks to Trump's narrative as he goads him on.

Something I think we Christians need to remember is this is a secret audio recording that was sneakily recorded by a Network and its employees. That's dishonest. And it is 11 years old!
When Donald Trump came to Christ all of his past sins were put under the blood of Jesus. And God remembers his sins no more. Being this is an 11 year old audio, we have to consider when Trump came to Christ , which was not that long ago from what I've found so far. (Article) And realize that that Donald on the tape is not the born again Donald running for office today.

This is a Clinton move! Dirty politics. What was she and her husband doing 11 years ago?
She's a self-professed Christian. Do her actions demonstrate that? Especially in the case of the illegal server and 33,000 emails she had destroyed by her attorneys.

Where's the Christian charity for one of our own in both camps really. But with Trump, all the dirt on him is old. All the dirt on Hillary is recent. Trump is what they call a baby Christian. Hillary's not.

Choose wisely my friends as to whom you'll cast the first stone toward.

When did Trump "come to Christ?" When he decided to run on the GOP ticket? I must've missed that one.

 

[momto3girls]

It's not about casting stones; it's about picking the next President of the United States. If his response to this had been along the lines of "I used to be a boorish mysoginistic jerk, but I repent of my sinful view towards women, and I ask for the forgiveness of the American people for my exceedingly crass remarks", I'd entertain the position you propose, and I might even consider voting for him. But, his actual response was more akin to "I was wrong, and I apologize if I offended anyone, but Bill Clinton is worse!" It's not what he said 11 years ago that's most troubling. It's what he said yesterday: minimizing his appalling behavior, grandstanding, and acting like a victim when he was clearly in the wrong.

There is a 0% chance that Billy Bush will be the next President, so I am not as concerned with his behavior. But, I agree, in a decently moral society, he would not be on TV. But, we don't live in a decently moral society. If we did, we would not be facing the inevitability of either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, who both are morally unqualified for the presidency, being the next President.

ETA: I don't know the truth about where Donald stands with Jesus. I do know that both major party candidates claim to be believers. I know that Jesus said we would know them by their fruit. And, I know that bith candidates seem to be producing rotton fruit.

Yes! Yes! Yes!

 

[civilwarbuff]

otoh, it is long past time for people who identify as Christian to stop being Republicans and START being the church.

Does not the same hold true for any political affiliation or are you simply making a political statement?

 

[civilwarbuff]

It's not about casting stones; it's about picking the next President of the United States. If his response to this had been along the lines of "I used to be a boorish mysoginistic jerk, but I repent of my sinful view towards women, and I ask for the forgiveness of the American people for my exceedingly crass remarks", I'd entertain the position you propose, and I might even consider voting for him. But, his actual response was more akin to "I was wrong, and I apologize if I offended anyone, but Bill Clinton is worse!" It's not what he said 11 years ago that's most troubling. It's what he said yesterday: minimizing his appalling behavior, grandstanding, and acting like a victim when he was clearly in the wrong.

There is a 0% chance that Billy Bush will be the next President, so I am not as concerned with his behavior. But, I agree, in a decently moral society, he would not be on TV. But, we don't live in a decently moral society. If we did, we would not be facing the inevitability of either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, who both are morally unqualified for the presidency, being the next President.

ETA: I don't know the truth about where Donald stands with Jesus. I do know that both major party candidates claim to be believers. I know that Jesus said we would know them by their fruit. And, I know that bith candidates seem to be producing rotton fruit.

I can agree with this but I think that is a standard that should be applied across the board. I would like to hear from hrc an apology for slandering and doing everything she could to demean and ruin the reputations of those women who accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault and worse. I mean, what is demanded of the goose should also be demanded of the gander, don't you agree?

 

[momto3girls]

I hate what Trump has done. With even more rotten se tapes out today, I am sick. He has done more to damage the Republican ticket than anyone could. Dam his lies. I feel he should let his Vice pick take over. Shame on him. I am disgusted with Trump. look how he made fun of the others running for office! Shame on HIM I am so ashamed of Trump. He is a real filthy dirty boy who never grew up. Spoiled brat with lots of money, he buys his way to all kinds of things. I an so hurt by this stupid nasty womanizer.

And not only damage to the Republican party, but Christianity also. The way Christians are defending his actions and attacking Hillary, nobody will believe Christians ever again when they try to claim they are called to "love one another." We can forgive Trump but not Clinton? Where is God in that? Neither is a good example of what the leader of the US should be but if we can't be more respectful, I see the end of Christianity, along with conservative values! We need to be the example, not join in the mudslinging. Why can't we just vote Republican down ticket and who cares what name is at the top?

 

[Misty0408]

I am a reluctant Trump supporter. He is not my favorite person, and he is certainly no champion of morality. However Clinton is much worse.

I do not make excuses for Trump. He is a product of secularism. I believe he loves America and wants to help get our country on the right track. I don't feel he is in it for personal gain.

Clinton and her ilk celebrate immoral behavior on a grand scale and then have the audacity to feign offense at Trump's statements. Amazing. This country was besieged with the sorted details of Bill Clinton's sexual liaison in the Oval Office. Many people (especially Hollywood) defended his adulterous affairs and actions, and now they are suddenly offended. That is hypocrisy at it's best.

Clinton and the liberal agenda include the killing of the unborn. This is a non-negotiable for me and should be for all Christians. Without the right to life, everything else pales in comparison. While Trump is not truly pro-life, he is not pro-abortion. He has also said he will appoint more conservative judges to the Supreme Court, which is extremely important since they hold those offices until death/retirement.

The political establishment has become so corrupt that there is nothing they won't twist, manipulate, fake, divulge, or kill...in order to get what they want. Trump is not going to fit in, which is exactly what needs to happen. He certainly won't do worse, and I believe in many ways he will do better, just because he isn't one of them.

 

[2consider]

So, after the latest revelation is it time for Donald to bow out? Why or why not? Please let's be adults about this; no polemics which is the reason I posted this here instead of News and Curent Events. Just state your reason for or against based on what you feel fairly certain to be true.

Run, don't run, I don't care. I'm not a follower, I don't vote for leaders, I vote for representatives, and no one represents what's important to me.

I've survived the last eight years by just doing what I need to do, and that's what I'll always do, no matter who is president.
I'll shake my head as I watch the world decline and wait for God to do what he's going to do.

I know this, our economy isn't going to improve substantially, because politicians aren't going suddenly stop spending money or eliminate wasteful programs and departments. Politicians are never going to stop trying to "help" me and protect me from the problems they create. Black and white folks aren't just going to wake up one day say "those folks aren't so bad." Extremists aren't going to suddenly stop being extremists. People are not just going to stop coming into the country illegally.

Looking back, in my lifetime (Eisenhower was president when I was born) politicians have not fixed or solved a single problem facing the country, in fact they've created more problems.

"The natural progress of things is for the government to gain ground and for liberty to yield."
Thomas Jefferson

 

[momto3girls]

How shameful! You can't blame this mess on feminists. Millions of women fought for many years to be equal to men and we're not there yet. If Trump had his way, we'd all be back to second (or 3rd?) class citizens! Don't judge strong women by a few bad apples. This is all the corrupt political system, which is run by a majority of white men.

 

[momto3girls]

And all for the false goals of getting abortions restricted, christianity taught in schools, evolution stopped from being part of science, global warming debunked, and isolating the USA.

Right?