For all eternity - "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before God to Worship"

[bugkiller]

Isaiah 66:23 is an example of sola scriptura affirmation of the fact that Sabbath even in the OT has the Mark 2:27 scope of "all mankind".

"From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship". Is 66:23

Here then is a text you struggle with quoting so far.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"???

Over time you may become more comfortable actually looking at it, reading it... accepting it.

Just what I thought. You very diligently apply Hilter's idea of say it enough they will believe it. Problem is it does not work for independent thinkers.

Keep trying.



1. "Jerusalem that comes down from heaven" is not in Isaiah 66.

2. The Isaiah 66:23 statement shows that even in the OT the "ALL MANKIND" application for the Sabbath for all eternity even after the cross - as Christ says it in Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for MANKIND" and in Hebrews 4 'there REMAINS therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God" --

Not a single word you posted in this point pertains to Isa 66:23.

3. No wonder Isaiah ALSO points to gentiles blessed and affirmed for keeping the Sabbath in Isaiah 56:1-7

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Notice Christ said the time has come when people will no longer worship in Jerusalem or on the mountain. How then will all people come to the mountain and worship, as its written in Isaiah? These scriptures refer to a new earth, and new Jerusalem. Revelation talks about new Jerusalem, it accompanies a new earth.

He doesn't like your Bible based detail.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Just what I thought. You very diligently apply Hilter's idea .

nonsense 145.0??

 

[W2L]

Heb 12:
22 But ye have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,

Thank you.

 

[W2L]

He doesn't like your Bible based detail.

bugkiller

Apparently

 

[BobRyan]

Our Sabbath is found in Hebrews 4, and its not a day of the week.

Hebrews 4 says it remains unchanged from what it was in Psalms 95 - in David's day...

And of course in David's day it was the SEVENTH day of the week according to Ex 20:8-11 and Genesis 2:1-3.

 

[BobRyan]

@BobRyan
You are clearly wrong about using those acts scriptures the way you do,

Just not in real life. In real life you have to prove accusations to be true.

please allow yourself to be corrected, its wise, its good.

 

[BobRyan]

I don't follow pro Sunday scholars. The text is clear, paul was preaching to people who were not Christian

That is not true and we both know it - because in Acts 18:4 it is "not just one Sabbath" but it is "every Sabbath" that the Christian Jews and gentiles are hearing the gospel as well as the non-Christian Jews and gentiles.

obviously.

Your argument is clearly wrong - the text itself refutes it.

And we all can see it.

 

[W2L]

Hebrews 4 says it remains unchanged from what it was in Psalms 95 - in David's day...

And of course in David's day it was the SEVENTH day of the week according to Ex 20:8-11 and Genesis 2:1-3.

That's not what it says. It says they shall not enter His rest, and that today is the day of salvation. Its not a certain day of the weak but is now.

 

[BobRyan]

Travis93 said: ↑
Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

A great example of Christians - like Paul worshiping Sabbath after Sabbath with both Jews and Gentiles - and all of them hearing Gospel sermons on Sabbath. Just as we see in Acts 18:4 "EVERY Sabbath" both Jews and Gentiles hearing Gospel sermons.

What is amazing for the sabbath-denier option is that at no point do we see the Acts statement "no longer show up next Sabbath you who are hearing our gospel message and believing Sabbath after Sabbath - from now on just join us on week-day-1 which we now call the Christian Sabbath and the Lord's Day".

That much-imagined command does not show up even once in all of the NT!!!

Do you read context? These people are not yet Christians. The apostles were preaching to jews and gentiles who were stil worshipping via the OC, not the NC, and they were telling these jews and gentiles about Christ. Naturally they were in the synagogue on Sabbath, they were not Christians.

you appear to argue that under the OT - both Jews and gentiles were supposed keep the Bible Sabbath? Certainly we can all agree with you then. So also do your own pro-sunday scholars agree that the Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath - the Bible Sabbath - the seventh day Sabbath - was for all mankind in the OT.

And so now in the post-cross age -- for all eternity - 'from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship" - Is 66:23

Isaiah 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isaiah 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Yes that is a great point - Isaiah 56 is a perfect example of blessings specifically for gentiles that keep God's Sabbath.

 

[W2L]

please allow yourself to be corrected, its wise, its good.

You need to do that Bob.

 

[BobRyan]

Our Sabbath is found in Hebrews 4, and its not a day of the week.

Hebrews 4 says it remains unchanged from what it was in Psalms 95 - in David's day...

And of course in David's day it was the SEVENTH day of the week according to Ex 20:8-11 and Genesis 2:1-3.

That's not what it says. It says they shall not enter His rest, and that today is the day of salvation. Its not a certain day of the weak but is now.

More Bible -- less making stuff up please.

Hebrews 4
Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the Gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:


“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’”

although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”

6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

PSALMS 95
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

Heb 11
11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.

3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Faith at the Dawn of History
4 By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts; and through it he being dead still speaks.

5 By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, “and was not found, because God had taken him”; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God. 6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

7 By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.

13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

32 And what more shall I say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gideon and Barak and Samson and Jephthah, also of David and Samuel and the prophets: 33 who through faith subdued kingdoms, worked righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, became valiant in battle, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. 35 Women received their dead raised to life again.
Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection.

 

[W2L]

That is not true and we both know it - because in Acts 18:4 it is "not just one Sabbath" but it is "every Sabbath" that the Christian Jews and gentiles are hearing the gospel as well as the non-Christian Jews and gentiles.

obviously.

Your argument is clearly wrong - the text itself refutes it.

And we all can see it.

No Bob, its obvious they were not yet converted, or at least not all of them, or paul wouldn't have needed to reason with them. Come on Bob, the text clearly indicates they were members of the OC, not the NC

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Truth is Gods command

Simple.
YHWH started out without man's traditions.
He didn't change.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No Bob, its obvious they were not yet converted, or at least not all of them, or paul wouldn't have needed to reason with them. Come on Bob, the text clearly indicates they were members of the OC, not the NC

COOL!
He persuaded both the JEWS and the greeks; all honoring YHWH'S 7th day SABBATH.
They continued after they were immersed in Y'SHUA'S NAME, as Y'SHUA always honored YHWH'S 7th day SABBATH .

 

[W2L]

A great example of Christians - like Paul worshiping Sabbath after Sabbath with both Jews and Gentiles - and all of them hearing Gospel sermons on Sabbath. Just as we see in Acts 18:4 "EVERY Sabbath" both Jews and Gentiles hearing Gospel sermons.

What is amazing for the sabbath-denier option is that at no point do we see the Acts statement "no longer show up next Sabbath you who are hearing our gospel message and believing Sabbath after Sabbath - from now on just join us on week-day-1 which we now call the Christian Sabbath and the Lord's Day".

That much-imagined command does not show up even once in all of the NT!!!



you appear to argue that under the OT - both Jews and gentiles were supposed keep the Bible Sabbath? Certainly we can all agree with you then. So also do your own pro-sunday scholars agree that the Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath - the Bible Sabbath - the seventh day Sabbath - was for all mankind in the OT.

And so now in the post-cross age -- for all eternity - 'from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to Worship" - Is 66:23



Yes that is a great point - Isaiah 56 is a perfect example of blessings specifically for gentiles that keep God's Sabbath.

They were Jews and gentiles who followed the OC. They followed OC Judaism, not Christ. Gods Sabbath in the NT is seen in Hebrews 4, and its not a day of the weak. Colossians 2 says OC Sabbath is a shadow. Put it all together.

 

[BobRyan]

No Bob, its obvious they were not yet converted, or at least not all of them, or paul wouldn't have needed to reason with them. Come on Bob, the text clearly indicates they were members of the OC, not the NC

My post does not say everyone in the NT was a saved saint.

Nor did I say that everyone in the synagogue in Acts 18:4 was a saved saint - I specifically said that both Christian and non-Christian Jews as well as non-Christian-Gentiles hand Christian Gentiles had to be present in that "EVERY SABBATH" context of Acts 18:4 where EVERY Sabbath they were meeting and hearing Gospel preaching.

I think we all know that.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

was "no murder" also a 'shadow' ?
was "no adultery" just a 'shadow' ?
did Y'SHUA BREAK ANY COMMANDMENT ?

and who is it, pagans or believers, who seek to live as Y'SHUA LIVES ?

Whose example do believers follow ? Y'SHUA now, or still satan as they did before ?

 

[BobRyan]

COOL!
He persuaded both the JEWS and the greeks; all honoring YHWH'S 7th day SABBATH.
They continued after they were immersed in Y'SHUA'S NAME, as Y'SHUA always honored YHWH'S 7th day SABBATH .

Indeed and it continued "EVERY Sabbath" according to Acts 18:4 instead of "one or two Sabbaths then all Christians meet on EVERY week-day-1" as some have much-imagined the text should have said.

 

[W2L]

COOL!
He persuaded both the JEWS and the greeks; all honoring YHWH'S 7th day SABBATH.
They continued after they were immersed in Y'SHUA'S NAME, as Y'SHUA always honored YHWH'S 7th day SABBATH .

They continued like babes yes, who didn't yet understand that OC Sabbath was a shadow. Look at Romans 14, we see Paul reasoning with such men who were weak in faith, and the Corinthians who were babes in Christ, like the Hebrews who were not yet ready for the meat of the word.