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Where are all the bones?

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What I can't understand is how people like Hugh Ross gets around the inconsistencies of theistic evolution.

For example, given that the fossil record betrays evidence of sickness, disease, suffering and death, how is it that such existed before sin entered the world? Given that sickness and disease are the result of sin, how is it that the result came before the cause? Theistic evolutionists may as well throw away their Bibles if they believe that.
 
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What I can't understand is how people like Hugh Ross gets around the inconsistencies of theistic evolution.

For example, given that the fossil record betrays evidence of sickness, disease, suffering and death, how is it that such existed before sin entered the world? Given that sickness and disease are the result of sin, how is it that the result came before the cause? Theistic evolutionists may as well throw away their Bibles if they believe that.
In theistic evolution, we are mutant copy errors, made in the image and likeness of God.
 
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What I can't understand is how people like Hugh Ross gets around the inconsistencies of theistic evolution.
For example, given that the fossil record betrays evidence of sickness, disease, suffering and death, how is it that such existed before sin entered the world? Given that sickness and disease are the result of sin, how is it that the result came before the cause? Theistic evolutionists may as well throw away their Bibles if they believe that.
I agree, if there was no A&E or fall then the whole idea of Christianity means nothing, without them there was no need for a sacrifice or a resurrection, either believe it all or believe none of it, for me it's all unbelievable but picking and choosing what you want to believe is surely not the way to go, pick one or the other then go with that.
 
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Bible says the earth is about 6000 years old.
Evolution religion says earth is billions of years old and man came about 5 million years ago.

We know in the last 300 years, human population has grown exponential. If man came about millions of years ago, the population count would be an astronomical figure.

If archeologi$t$ keep finding dino$aur bones, how come there don't find billions and billions and billions of human bones?

Because:

  1. Dinosaurs lived on earth for more than 150 million years, creatures recognizable as Humans have lived on earth for only a tiny fraction of that time.
  2. Most bones are destroyed and do not become fossilized.
 
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What I can't understand is how people like Hugh Ross gets around the inconsistencies of theistic evolution.

Indeed. It seems rather obvious that if the facts aren't consistent with the story, the rational thing to do is throw out the story - not the facts.

For example, given that the fossil record betrays evidence of sickness, disease, suffering and death, how is it that such existed before sin entered the world? Given that sickness and disease are the result of sin, how is it that the result came before the cause?

The obvious answer, is that there is no such cause and that sickness, desease, suffering, death (and all its counterparts) are just inevitable facts of the condition of "being alive".

Think about it... How could it be otherwise? Assuming for a moment that genesis is accurate, did Adam not have a nervous system before eating the magic apple?
Would he not have felt pain (=suffering) if he fell down from a tree?
Would he not have felt hunger, when hungry?
Would he not get severe and painfull burns, when getting burned?
When he ate, did he not consume organic food? Ie, things that were previously ALIVE?
Plants live to, you know...

It's beyond absurd to suggest otherwise.

Theistic evolutionists may as well throw away their Bibles if they believe that.

Yeah, well.......

Again, if you have facts on one side and a bronze age story on the other, and if they contradict eachother....

The rational thing to do is to stick with the facts.

And in this case, the fact is that animals were alive, struggling for survival, dieing, suffering, getting sick, etc looooooong before humans even existed.
 
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Just because a website is dedicated to proving the creationist viewpoint doesn't man that all evidence presented is to be called creationist and disqualified as such. Such a view is absurd! It's like saying that nothing found on an atheist site is legit because it is used on an atheist site. That is nonsense!

It's not nonsense.

If you are making a scientific point, then you use scientific sources.
And indeed, "atheist sites" aren't scientific sources either.
 
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Perhaps because you incorrectly come across as a fervent defender of all scientists who cast serious doubt on the biblical account?

If you mean a literal, fundamentalist biblical account, then it's pretty safe to say that scientists pretty much not only "cast doubt", but flat out reject such accounts by consensus.

And rightfully so. There is no point in not rejecting demonstrably false stories.
 
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The issue is the inherent integrity and value of peer review process, not what TYPE of scientist are involved.

The process isn't perfect or infalible, and nobody here is claiming that it is.

However, it's still the best way to go about it, because the very essence of it is about having other people review your work. As opposed to writing a paper and simply having everybody accept your findings at face value.

I have no doubt that you can find some that forge papers or shuffle their data in the hope that nobody will notice, just to achieve 5 minutes of fame and glory, or to be able to add another paper publication to the resumé.

And some might get away with it for a certain amount of time. But it doesn't last.
The very fact that you even know about such cases, shows that they are exposed sooner or later. By none other then peers, reviewing the work.

See, science is a continous "work in progress".
Newton (I think) used to say that "he was standing on the shoulders of giants".
Meaning that his work was only possible thanks to the work of others that was done before him.

In science, knowledge builds upon knowledge.
Newton came up with Newtonian physics and it worked well.
Einstein then found out that newtonian physics doesn't play well when the mass gets truelly massive or the speed approaches light speed.
So he expanded on Newton's physics with relativity.

If Newton was a quack, if he forged his data etc... then it would have been exposed by people like Einstein who would try to build upon Newton's work.

This is why the scientific method in combination with peer review is succesfull in what it does, eventhough the process itself isn't "perfect" or "infalible" or "impossible to trick".

Forgeries, hoaxes or simply honest mistakes or inaccuracies, are bound to be exposed sooner or later.

The usual creationist mantra's about piltdown man etc are a fine example.
Creationists didn't expose these hoaxes. Scientists did. Peers did.
 
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If you mean a literal, fundamentalist biblical account, then it's pretty safe to say that scientists pretty much not only "cast doubt", but flat out reject such accounts by consensus.

And rightfully so. There is no point in not rejecting demonstrably false stories.
I did not mean any patently ridiculous assertions that clearly go contrary to irrefutable science.
Why you assume I do is beyond me.

What you consider demonstrably proven false might be simply a matter of your personal biased opinion.
 
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The process isn't perfect or infalible, and nobody here is claiming that it is.

However, it's still the best way to go about it, because the very essence of it is about having other people review your work. As opposed to writing a paper and simply having everybody accept your findings at face value.

I have no doubt that you can find some that forge papers or shuffle their data in the hope that nobody will notice, just to achieve 5 minutes of fame and glory, or to be able to add another paper publication to the resumé.

And some might get away with it for a certain amount of time. But it doesn't last.
The very fact that you even know about such cases, shows that they are exposed sooner or later. By none other then peers, reviewing the work.

See, science is a continous "work in progress".
Newton (I think) used to say that "he was standing on the shoulders of giants".
Meaning that his work was only possible thanks to the work of others that was done before him.

In science, knowledge builds upon knowledge.
Newton came up with Newtonian physics and it worked well.
Einstein then found out that newtonian physics doesn't play well when the mass gets truelly massive or the speed approaches light speed.
So he expanded on Newton's physics with relativity.

If Newton was a quack, if he forged his data etc... then it would have been exposed by people like Einstein who would try to build upon Newton's work.

This is why the scientific method in combination with peer review is succesfull in what it does, eventhough the process itself isn't "perfect" or "infalible" or "impossible to trick".

Forgeries, hoaxes or simply honest mistakes or inaccuracies, are bound to be exposed sooner or later.

The usual creationist mantra's about piltdown man etc are a fine example.
Creationists didn't expose these hoaxes. Scientists did. Peers did.

I am not against the scientific method.
I am against bllatant quackery posing as the scientific method.
 
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I am not against the scientific method.
I am against bllatant quackery posing as the scientific method.

I'm against all forms of quackery.
So is science.

So, what are you arguing about again?
 
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I did not mean any patently ridiculous assertions that clearly go contrary to irrefutable science.
Why you assume I do is beyond me.

Because you..........do....

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...ed-from-monkeys.7958592/page-59#post-70211054
http://www.christianforums.com/thre...ed-from-monkeys.7958592/page-58#post-70207984
http://www.christianforums.com/thre...ed-from-monkeys.7958592/page-58#post-70207819
http://www.christianforums.com/thre...ed-from-monkeys.7958592/page-56#post-70204814
http://www.christianforums.com/thre...ed-from-monkeys.7958592/page-54#post-70202547

A lot of those were in a conversation you had with..... ME.

Did you think I already forgot about it?
You argue against solid, well-evidenced, mainstream science all the time.

What you consider demonstrably proven false might be simply a matter of your personal biased opinion.

No, it's not.
 
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Bible says the earth is about 6000 years old.
Evolution religion says earth is billions of years old and man came about 5 million years ago.

We know in the last 300 years, human population has grown exponential. If man came about millions of years ago, the population count would be an astronomical figure.

If archeologi$t$ keep finding dino$aur bones, how come there don't find billions and billions and billions of human bones?
Even if the earth were 6,000 years old, we see vastly fewer bones than we would expect. your answer suggests that bones are indestructible, and that is simply not true. Where are all the buffalo bones we would expect to see piled on the great plains, even with a 6,000 year age. See, you are fundamentally wrong in your assumption.
 
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Theistic evolutionists may as well throw away their Bibles if they believe that.

Anything that stands between people and the truth ought to be thrown away.
 
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Anything that stands between people and the truth ought to be thrown away.

If something can be destroyed by the truth, then it SHOULD be destroyed by the truth.
 
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