Are women inferior to men?

[Meowzltov]

I am a capable home-maker, but God wants me out working, and wants my wife to have her priority as a keeper of the home

Let's say that you and your wife are a really unusual case. Your wife makes twice the income you make, is hopelessly disorganized around the house, and feels at a loss around the kids. You on the other hand are a natural and loving disciplinarian, enjoy repairing things around the house, and have the organizational skills to be a home CEO. In such a situation would you not say, "forget the stereotypes, let's do what works for us!" I'm not saying it's the norm, and I'm all for supporting the norm. But can't we also make room for the exceptions?

My sister knew back when she was a teen that she was not the nurturing type. My brother in law married her agreeing to never have children. In her late 30's she felt her biological clock ticking, and decided that maybe they should have one. But it meant things like daycare and maids--she wasn't going to stop being a tax accountant. He also had a time demanding job. Of the two, he was more at ease with my nephew. She always tended to get rattled. CLEARLY had she been forced to be a stay at home mom, she would have become depressed and anxious and everyone in the family would have suffered. What would your suggestion to her be?

 

[Meowzltov]

Hey that's TRUE. Men are physically SUPERIOR.

Go to any OLD FOLKS HOME and find the TRUTH. Men outnumber the women about TEN TO ONE.

I think you meant the opposite, that WOMEN outnumber men by 3 to 1 in their 90s. The upper body strength that men have is quite different than longevity. Women are gifted with longevity. This is for a host of different reasons, among them that women having stronger immune systems, men not liking to go to doctors, men being more reckless and getting killed in more accidents, men getting killed in wars, men being far more likely to be murdered or succeed at suicide, having 3x the rate for coronary artery disease, and more. It all results in women living an average of six years longer in the US.

 

[Righttruth]

Everyone doesn't seem to be equal in heaven: that's why there are angels, at least one archangel, cherubim, etc.

I am referring to men and women on their equality in heaven

 

[Brokenhill]

Let's say that you and your wife are a really unusual case. Your wife makes twice the income you make, is hopelessly disorganized around the house, and feels at a loss around the kids. You on the other hand are a natural and loving disciplinarian, enjoy repairing things around the house, and have the organizational skills to be a home CEO. In such a situation would you not say, "forget the stereotypes, let's do what works for us!" I'm not saying it's the norm, and I'm all for supporting the norm. But can't we also make room for the exceptions?

My sister knew back when she was a teen that she was not the nurturing type. My brother in law married her agreeing to never have children. In her late 30's she felt her biological clock ticking, and decided that maybe they should have one. But it meant things like daycare and maids--she wasn't going to stop being a tax accountant. He also had a time demanding job. Of the two, he was more at ease with my nephew. She always tended to get rattled. CLEARLY had she been forced to be a stay at home mom, she would have become depressed and anxious and everyone in the family would have suffered. What would your suggestion to her be?

There should never be exceptions to God's word.
I believe that there is some grey areas in scripture that require individuals to make conscience based decisions--but many things, like how to worship God or how to live out our lives for Him are black and white.
God planned a role for the husband and for the wife. He doesn't want us to take the easy way out, He wants us to grow through the challenges.

Is your sister a Christian? She should be listening to what God says, and not guided by emotions or personal preferences. God has given us the capability to change our internal desires and how we perceive the world...He makes it possible to enjoy things we didn't think we could. He makes it possible (because He expects it) to rejoice always! Even in the midst of persecution. Paul praised God in prison. Paul teaches that with "food and covering we are to be CONTENT" (1 Tim. 6:8). So if your sister in that situation, or me in my situation are whining and complaining and not letting God mold us--that's a problem!
The children of Israel grumbled in the wilderness, testing God's patience and they died for their lack of faith.

God designed/created men to lead and women to be nurturing child-bearers...it's possible for EVERYONE to fulfill their role to God--it just takes a little extra work for some of us. But we all have our problems. The solution to these kinds of things is the same solution for the problem of sin in our lives (we all have different struggles).

God's word shall never be compromised, unless He has authorized such a compromise.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Apparently God didn't think so. If it wasn't for women there wouldn't be a man alive to even posit the query.

Perhaps ADAM would still be around, not having a woman to offer him a bite of the forbidden tree fruit.

 

[Strong in Him]

Perhaps ADAM would still be around, not having a woman to offer him a bite of the forbidden tree fruit.

He didn't have to take it!
It was HE who had heard the command, directly from God himself; Even wasn't created then. So why did he choose to disobey?

 

[Meowzltov]

Is your sister a Christian? She should be listening to what God says,

She says she is a Christian, but she refuses to be baptized. She believes baptism is not necessary.

What is necessary is to love your neighbor as yourself, agreed? To try to live the traditional lifestyle would reduce her to a psychological mess, rendering her unable to care for herself, much less love her husband and child or others.

Christianity isn't just about rules, it's about people.

God gave Israel the Law, which was put into the Ark. And what was on top of the Ark? The Mercy Seat. God KILLED all the people of Beth Shemesh because they removed the Mercy Seat and looked within.

God has placed Mercy above the Law. Any time we remove Mercy, and place the Law above it, we commit grave sin.

Consider this.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Perhaps ADAM would still be around, not having a woman to offer him a bite of the forbidden tree fruit.

He didn't have to take it!
It was HE who had heard the command, directly from God himself; Even wasn't created then. So why did he choose to disobey?

He didn't have to take it isn't the question.
IF there was no woman(as the previous poster had just posted) she said also there would be no men.
I pointed out , sadly,
that if no woman had given Adam the apple (so to speak),
perhaps Adam would still be around (and still no evil or sin on earth).

Why did he choose to take a bite ?
He said why.

It doesn't matter why, though.
Why do men and women today sin willfully ?
The penalty for sin is death.
That hasn't changed.
So why do men and women today sin willfully ?
Ask them.
Like Adam, they often will say why they sin.
But ,
it doesn't matter why.
Just like it doesn't matter why someone runs a red light if they are given a ticket.
They still get the ticket.
Or why someone kills someone else.
They still die.

 

[Brokenhill]

She says she is a Christian, but she refuses to be baptized. She believes baptism is not necessary.

What is necessary is to love your neighbor as yourself, agreed? To try to live the traditional lifestyle would reduce her to a psychological mess, rendering her unable to care for herself, much less love her husband and child or others.

Christianity isn't just about rules, it's about people.

God gave Israel the Law, which was put into the Ark. And what was on top of the Ark? The Mercy Seat. God KILLED all the people of Beth Shemesh because they removed the Mercy Seat and looked within.

God has placed Mercy above the Law. Any time we remove Mercy, and place the Law above it, we commit grave sin.

Consider this.

John 14:15, “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." --Jesus

We shouldn't confuse works of the law with actions other than love in general.

John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
Is your sister aware of that verse?

She wouldn't become a psychological mess if she had God on her side.

Phil. 4:13 "I can do all things a through Him [Christ] who strengthens me."

 

[InLoveWithMyBestFriend]

1) Well-known passages from the Apostle Paul seem to indicate that women are not to have authority over men or even speak in church.

2) God created the man first, then the woman.

3) Every author of Scripture (that we know of) is a man.

4) All of Christ's Apostles were men.

5) Christ himself is a man, and God is clearly described as masculine in Scripture.

Thoughts?

As a woman, I say no. We are equal, but we hold very vastly different, God given roles.

 

[revanneosl]

As as completely different women, I also say no. We are equal. Also our roles are not very different.

 

[dqhall]

As a woman, I say no. We are equal, but we hold very vastly different, God given roles.

In America we have a doctrine of equal pay for equal work. With the automation of certain tasks, roles have changed since Biblical times. There are childcare centers for infants and schools for older children to go to during the day. Women entering the workforce have increased household income and GDP.

A man is yet more likely to break his back in the course of his life than a woman. Some women cannot avoid back breaking labor as women are also reporting back injuries, but at a lower rate per thousand.

Some churches allow women to sing, offer testimonies or preach. Church is voluntary, not mandatory. Some things are supposed to be agreed upon before marriage, when testing for compatibility.

 

[newlightseven]

In Christ there is neither male nor female. I think this answers the question

 

[Meowzltov]

1) Well-known passages from the Apostle Paul seem to indicate that women are not to have authority over men or even speak in church.

We are to submit to our husbands. We are not under every man's authority.

2) God created the man first, then the woman.

The second created is always superior. It's a bad, bad argument.

3) Every author of Scripture (that we know of) is a man.

A lot of scholars think that Esther was written by a woman.

4) All of Christ's Apostles were men.

Junia may very well have been a woman apostle, but we aren't sure. This isn't important. Women had very important roles in the early church. That women are different than men, or have different roles, doesn't mean we are not equal. An orange and an apple are equal.

5) Christ himself is a man, and God is clearly described as masculine in Scripture.

The Holy Spirit, in Hebrew, is feminine.

Different, but equal. Peter, but Mary.

 

[Strong in Him]

There should never be exceptions to God's word.
I believe that there is some grey areas in scripture that require individuals to make conscience based decisions--but many things, like how to worship God or how to live out our lives for Him are black and white.
God planned a role for the husband and for the wife. He doesn't want us to take the easy way out, He wants us to grow through the challenges.

God has not commanded that all women will stay at home, care for it and the children no matter what.
Scripture does not teach that a woman cannot have a career, nor does it teach that a man must.

So if God has given you the gift, and desire, to be a homemaker, it's best for your situation and will lead to fulfilment, then go for it. How will it benefit you to struggle on in a job you hate while longing to be at home? If you think you can force yourself to carry on and deal with the frustration and your heart not being in what you do; go ahead. But I'm sure it would be best for you, your boss (if your heart isn't in your work) and your family if you were able to do what God has given you a passion for doing.

Is your sister a Christian? She should be listening to what God says, and not guided by emotions or personal preferences.

Perhaps she is.

God has given us the capability to change our internal desires and how we perceive the world...

How do you know it wasn't God who gave those desires in the first place?
Scripture says that if we delight ourselves in the Lord he will give us the desires of our hearts, Psalm 37:4. It's not wrong to have desires - and if we belong to the Lord and have given our lives to him, then our desires are his as well. This is what the Psalmist means; be in the Lord, delight yourself in him, delight to know and serve him, then he will give you the desires that are in your heart. So even if you believe that your desires are just your own, and own feelings, if you belong to the Lord and give your desires to him, you may find that he allows you to fulfil them.

..He makes it possible to enjoy things we didn't think we could.

But that doesn't mean that he commanded, and willed, for us to do them in the first place.

He makes it possible (because He expects it) to rejoice always!

But if someone is in a role that God has not put them in and is not right for them, should they rejoice, or should they get out and find what his will is?

Paul teaches that with "food and covering we are to be CONTENT" (1 Tim. 6:8). So if your sister in that situation, or me in my situation are whining and complaining and not letting God mold us--that's a problem!

If you are in a role that is not right for you and contrary to your God given gifts, then it could well be that your dissatisfaction and unease is from God. He might be saying "get out and do what I created you to do; what you were made for".

God designed/created men to lead and women to be nurturing child-bearers...it's possible for EVERYONE to fulfill their role to God--

Yet some men can't lead and some women can't, and will never have, children. Some women choose not to have children, even choose to remain single. Some women have a God given career and children.

God's word shall never be compromised, unless He has authorized such a compromise.

God's word does not command all women to stay at home, keep house and look after the children.

 

[MelissaUK]

I believe that male and females were created for different roles. The male is to lead, the woman to follow. This doesn't mean that the women is inferior. We just have different roles. Husbands are called to love their wives as Christ loved the church. Do you have any idea how big of a task that is? Why bother if women are just, well, inferior creatures.

Yes, I think this.

 

[MelissaUK]

I think a husband rules his wife and must do so with love and in Godliness. I think it odd when Christians say that times have changed from when the Bible was written so we should change the meaning so we fit in with our times. A woman who obeys her husband is not lesser in the eyes of God.

That means we don't agree with these times when feminists tell us what is right just to fit in and be liked.

 

[2 know him]

1) Well-known passages from the Apostle Paul seem to indicate that women are not to have authority over men or even speak in church.

2) God created the man first, then the woman.

3) Every author of Scripture (that we know of) is a man.

4) All of Christ's Apostles were men.

5) Christ himself is a man, and God is clearly described as masculine in Scripture.

Thoughts?

I can give you a number of reasons for why they are superior to men. .. Paul was a bigot who both spoke and acted contrary to the teachings of Christ.

 

[MWood]

I can give you a number of reasons for why they are superior to men. .. Paul was a bigot who both spoke and acted contrary to the teachings of Christ.

You should try to understand the differences in the Gospel that Jesus preached, and the Gospel that Jesus gave to Paul to preach. Its not Pauls' fault.

This is derailing the thread, I'll say no more about it. Just study the differences, you will be richer for it.

 

[2 know him]

You should try to understand the differences in the Gospel that Jesus preached, and the Gospel that Jesus gave to Paul to preach. Its not Pauls' fault.

This is derailing the thread, I'll say no more about it. Just study the differences, you will be richer for it.

Jesus never gave Paul a different gospel, Paul is/was a fraud. Jesus told his followers to go and preach the gospel to all nations and that this gospel, referring to Jesus's gospel must be preached to all nations and that then the end of the world would come. Paul was/is a heretic.