Loss of Salvation Question

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You are being very disingenuous.

The bible clearly tells us that we can reject our faith. Is faith a gift of God?
I know where your disingenuous question is going.

So, if you can provide any verse that teaches that our faith is a gift of God, I'll accept that.
 
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So in order for anybody to obtain Salvation, one must enter into a Covenant of Salvation with Jesus Christ.

But for the Covenant between Him and you to be Legally Binding, you must agree to His Terms of Salvation. His Terms of Salvation is in the Word of God which is Himself.
OK, please provide the specific terms of salvation and provide Scripture that supports this.

Now all you need to worry about is how many breaches of the Word of God, Jesus Christ will permit you to commit before He enacts the Exclusion Clauses in the Word of God to terminate the Covenant of Salvation between Him and you.
Likewise, please provide the specific "exclusion clauses" and provide Scripture that supports this.

This is the Most Mysterious part to ascertain. You get this part wrong, you pay with your life and get condemned and damned to eternal death.

God bless you.
What I sure don't see in your view is any "good news".

But I do await the list and exclusion clauses. With Scriptural references for support.
 
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I know where your disingenuous question is going.

So, if you can provide any verse that teaches that our faith is a gift of God, I'll accept that.


2 Peter 1:1
This letter is from Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ. I am writing to you who share the same precious faith we have. This faith was given to you because of the justice and fairness of Jesus Christ, our God and Savior.

Phil 1:29
For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,


Do you claim that you gave yourself faith?
 
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2 Peter 1:1
This letter is from Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ. I am writing to you who share the same precious faith we have. This faith was given to you because of the justice and fairness of Jesus Christ, our God and Savior.

Phil 1:29
For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,
Neither verse describes faith as a gift from God.

Do you claim that you gave yourself faith?
Of course not. Faith is all that God wants mankind to believe. And we find it in His Word.

Is God's Word described as a gift anywhere in Scripture?
 
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Neither verse describes faith as a gift from God.


Of course not. Faith is all that God wants mankind to believe. And we find it in His Word.

Is God's Word described as a gift anywhere in Scripture?

Of course it is a gift. You have painted yourself into a corner.
 
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Of course it is a gift. You have painted yourself into a corner.
Why do you say it's a gift? Where is the evidence from Scripture where faith is actually and clearly described as a gift?

The one in the corner is not me.

However, the FACT from Scripture is that the gifts of God are irrevocable.

Now, think about this for a sec. If Paul actually thought that there were some gifts that were revocable, why didn't he make that crystal clear in Rom 11:29?

Since he didn't add any modifiers, or exceptions, the statement in Rom 11:29 is a blanket statement for ALL of God's gifts. Or Paul would have clarified, of course.
 
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Why do you say it's a gift? Where is the evidence from Scripture where faith is actually and clearly described as a gift?

Everything was created by God. It is all a gift.

You are spinning in circles in an attempt to make a point that doesn't exist.

God can give us a gift and we can reject it or refuse to use it. That doesn't mean he revoked the gift.
 
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Since he didn't add any modifiers, or exceptions, the statement in Rom 11:29 is a blanket statement for ALL of God's gifts. Or Paul would have clarified, of course.

I will ask you again FG2, IS YOUR SIGHT A GIFT FROM GOD?
If not, how much did you pay for your sight?
What did you have to do to get it?
You keep avoiding this question. I don't know why.
I will say my sight is a GIFT FROM GOD!
What say you?
 
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I said this:
"Why do you say it's a gift? Where is the evidence from Scripture where faith is actually and clearly described as a gift?"
Everything was created by God. It is all a gift.
This is just repeating yourself, and you haven't supported your opinion with any Scripture.

You are spinning in circles in an attempt to make a point that doesn't exist.
The POINT that EXISTS is that God's gifts are irrevocable: Rom 11:29 - for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

And another POINT that EXISTS is that eternal life is a gift of God: Rom 6:23 - For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Those who want to believe that eternal life can be lost, revoked, forfeited, given away, etc are just rejecting Scriptural truth.

God can give us a gift and we can reject it or refuse to use it. That doesn't mean he revoked the gift.
You've missed the POINT entirely. Those who HAVE believed in Jesus Christ for salvation HAVE eternal life. Jesus said so in John 5:24 - “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, HAS eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Now, note the 3 tenses here for those who believe:

Present tense: HAS eternal life
Past tense: HAS passed out of death into life
Future tense: DOES NOT come into judgment

Note also the ONLY requirement for these 3 tenses is belief.
 
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I will ask you again FG2, IS YOUR SIGHT A GIFT FROM GOD?
If not, how much did you pay for your sight?
What did you have to do to get it?
You keep avoiding this question. I don't know why.
Why do you continue to avoid providing ANY evidence from Scripture that supports your notion that anyone's sight is a gift from God??

I will say my sight is a GIFT FROM GOD!
Anyone is free to say whatever they wish.

What say you?
I'm just looking for any evidence that supports your opinion.

Opinions are of no value or worth without any clear evidence from Scripture.

If the Bible describes eyesight as a gift from God, then fine. But if not, it's just your opinion.

ps: I've been very near sighted for a very long time. Without correction, I'm functionally blind. With correction, I can see 20/25.

Does that mean glasses or contacts are also a gift from God? Not hardly.
 
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Those who HAVE believed in Jesus Christ for salvation HAVE eternal life. Jesus said so in John 5:24 - “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, HAS eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

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He who believes is present tense. If you don't believe when you die, and are living a life of disobedience and sin, do you think you will be saved?
 
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Why do you continue to avoid providing ANY evidence from Scripture that supports your notion that anyone's sight is a gift from God??

If you don't think sight is a gift from God, just say so, we all will know where you stand.

Is it a gift from evolution? Is it a gift from Satan?

If it's not a gift, what did you pay for your sight?

If it's not a gift, what did you do to earn your sight?

Anyone is free to say whatever they wish.

What do you say, is sight a gift from God or is it earned?

I'm just looking for any evidence that supports your opinion.

Try common sense; it's a free gift from God also.

Opinions are of no value or worth without any clear evidence from Scripture.

Really? It's my opinion that it only rains when clouds are present. What's the worth of my opinion? My opinion isn't found in the Bible.

If the Bible describes eyesight as a gift from God, then fine. But if not, it's just your opinion.

Again, if sight isn't a gift from God, what did you pay for your sight?

ps: I've been very near sighted for a very long time. Without correction, I'm functionally blind. With correction, I can see 20/25.

Does that mean glasses or contacts are also a gift from God? Not hardly.

It means the gift of sight from God is revocable.

BTW, the talent, knowledge, and ability to make glasses and contacts are gifts from God.

So, for all to see, I will ask you again -
IS SIGHT A GIFT FROM GOD?
 
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Peace be with you.

Next lesson for today.

Today's lesson is to show the Fallacy, Untruthfulness, Fakeness, Lie and Deception of the teaching that the Blood of Jesus Christ at Calvary will forgive your past, present and future sins which you commit in whatever copious amounts of quantities.

Read these verses in Matthew C18:

21 Then Peter approaching asked him, “Lord, if my brother sins against me, how often must I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 [s]Jesus answered, “I say to you, not seven times but seventy-seven times.

Here Jesus is stating that God's Mercy or His Patience for forgiving your sins has limits.

Read these verses in Matthew C18:

23 That is why the kingdom of heaven may be likened to a king who decided to settle accounts with his servants. 24 [t]When he began the accounting, a debtor was brought before him who owed him a huge amount. 27 Moved with compassion the master of that servant let him go and forgave him the loan.
32 His master summoned him and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you your entire debt because you begged me to. 33 Should you not have had pity on your fellow servant, as I had pity on you?’ 34 Then in anger his master handed him over to the torturers until he should pay back the whole debt.[w]35 [x]So will my heavenly Father do to you, unless each of you forgives his brother from his heart.”


Here, in subsequent verses following verse 22, Jesus then elaborates on Himself. He is basically saying that by your sinful conduct or wickedness, you can turn your salvation into your damnation.

God bless you.
 
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Peace be with you.

Next lesson for today.

Today's lesson is to show the Fallacy, Untruthfulness, Fakeness, Lie and Deception of the teaching that the Blood of Jesus Christ at Calvary will forgive your past, present and future sins which you commit in whatever copious amounts of quantities.

Read these verses in Matthew C18:

21 Then Peter approaching asked him, “Lord, if my brother sins against me, how often must I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 [s]Jesus answered, “I say to you, not seven times but seventy-seven times.

Here Jesus is stating that God's Mercy or His Patience for forgiving your sins has limits.

Read these verses in Matthew C18:

23 That is why the kingdom of heaven may be likened to a king who decided to settle accounts with his servants. 24 [t]When he began the accounting, a debtor was brought before him who owed him a huge amount. 27 Moved with compassion the master of that servant let him go and forgave him the loan.
32 His master summoned him and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you your entire debt because you begged me to. 33 Should you not have had pity on your fellow servant, as I had pity on you?’ 34 Then in anger his master handed him over to the torturers until he should pay back the whole debt.[w]35 [x]So will my heavenly Father do to you, unless each of you forgives his brother from his heart.”


Here, in subsequent verses following verse 22, Jesus then elaborates on Himself. He is basically saying that by your sinful conduct or wickedness, you can turn your salvation into your damnation.

God bless you.

Very good Gabriel. We also have these words from Jesus after His death on the cross -

Luke 24
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,
47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


If all sins, past, present, and future were forgiven, why would Jesus tell the disciples that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached after the cross? Either sins were forgiven on the cross or they weren't.
 
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He who believes is present tense. If you don't believe when you die, and are living a life of disobedience and sin, do you think you will be saved?
I KNOW that the gift of eternal life is irrevocable, because the Bible SAYS that God's gifts are irrevocable. And Paul did NOT exclude the gift of eternal life from his statement in Rom 11:29.

How a child of God lives their lives has NO impact on their entrance into heaven. But it will certainly have a major impact on their lack of comfort level while living on earth. It's called divine discipline and God certainly knows how to discipline His children. Heb 12:6
 
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If you don't think sight is a gift from God, just say so, we all will know where you stand.
We already know your your view stands: no support from Scripture.

Is it a gift from evolution? Is it a gift from Satan?
If it's not a gift, what did you pay for your sight?
If it's not a gift, what did you do to earn your sight?
These questions are frivolous.

Where is your support from Scripture that sight is a gift from God?

What do you say, is sight a gift from God or is it earned?
I say the Bible has NEVER described physical sight a gift of God.

But the Bible DOES SAY that eternal life is a gift of God, and that the gifts of God are irrevocable.

Why do people "kick against the goads" regarding eternal security when the Bible is so clear?

Try common sense; it's a free gift from God also.
Those who are truly interested in common sense look to Scripture to learn what God's gifts really are.

It's my opinion that it only rains when clouds are present. What's the worth of my opinion? My opinion isn't found in the Bible.
That is true.

Again, if sight isn't a gift from God, what did you pay for your sight?
I WOULD HAVE paid for good physical sight. But I wasn't so blessed.

It means the gift of sight from God is revocable.
Since you've failed to provide ANY evidence from Scripture that describes physical sight as a gift of God, your opinion, which you've admitted isn't found in Scripture, is still just an opinion. I need evidence from Scripture that your opinion is supported.

BTW, the talent, knowledge, and ability to make glasses and contacts are gifts from God.

So, for all to see, I will ask you again -
IS SIGHT A GIFT FROM GOD?
And...for all to see, your questions are frivolous and immaterial, since you've failed to provide any evidence from Scripture that supports your frivolous opinions.

God's Word is the source for knowing what are God's gifts. And those are irrevocable.
1. spiritual gifts - Rom 1:11
2. justification - Rom 5:15,16,17
3. eternal life - Rom 6:23
4. salvation - Acts 2:8

Paul never described physical sight as a gift of God. So your opinion has no biblical support.
 
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Next lesson for today.
Wow.

Today's lesson is to show the Fallacy, Untruthfulness, Fakeness, Lie and Deception of the teaching that the Blood of Jesus Christ at Calvary will forgive your past, present and future sins which you commit in whatever copious amounts of quantities.
I view this opinion as heresy and blasphemy.

Read these verses in Matthew C18:

21 Then Peter approaching asked him, “Lord, if my brother sins against me, how often must I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 [s]Jesus answered, “I say to you, not seven times but seventy-seven times.

Here Jesus is stating that God's Mercy or His Patience for forgiving your sins has limits.
Wrong. Jesus was teaching His disciples to be EVER forgiving, just as God is.

Read these verses in Matthew C18:

23 That is why the kingdom of heaven may be likened to a king who decided to settle accounts with his servants. 24 [t]When he began the accounting, a debtor was brought before him who owed him a huge amount. 27 Moved with compassion the master of that servant let him go and forgave him the loan.
32 His master summoned him and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you your entire debt because you begged me to. 33 Should you not have had pity on your fellow servant, as I had pity on you?’ 34 Then in anger his master handed him over to the torturers until he should pay back the whole debt.[w]35 [x]So will my heavenly Father do to you, unless each of you forgives his brother from his heart.”


Here, in subsequent verses following verse 22, Jesus then elaborates on Himself. He is basically saying that by your sinful conduct or wickedness, you can turn your salvation into your damnation.
No, He is definitely NOT "basically" saying what you're claiming.

The Bible continues to be clear, regardless of one's confusion:

The gifts of God are irrevocable. Eternal life is a gift of God.
 
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Very good Gabriel. We also have these words from Jesus after His death on the cross -

Luke 24
46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,
47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.


If all sins, past, present, and future were forgiven, why would Jesus tell the disciples that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached after the cross? Either sins were forgiven on the cross or they weren't.

Peace be with you.

The Word of God for the Salvation of Mankind had to be spread by His Disciples. Only for those who enter into a Covenant of Salvation with Jesus Christ will there be forgiveness of sins. And it is conditional on their obedience to the Word of God and doing God's Will.

God bless you.
 
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Next lesson for today.

Today's lesson is to show the Fallacy, Untruthfulness, Fakeness, Lie and Deception of the teaching that the Blood of Jesus Christ at Calvary will forgive your past, present and future sins which you commit in whatever copious amounts of quantities.

Read these verses in Matthew C18:

21 Then Peter approaching asked him, “Lord, if my brother sins against me, how often must I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 [s]Jesus answered, “I say to you, not seven times but seventy-seven times.

Here Jesus is stating that God's Mercy or His Patience for forgiving your sins has limits.

Read these verses in Matthew C18:

23 That is why the kingdom of heaven may be likened to a king who decided to settle accounts with his servants. 24 [t]When he began the accounting, a debtor was brought before him who owed him a huge amount. 27 Moved with compassion the master of that servant let him go and forgave him the loan.
32 His master summoned him and said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you your entire debt because you begged me to. 33 Should you not have had pity on your fellow servant, as I had pity on you?’ 34 Then in anger his master handed him over to the torturers until he should pay back the whole debt.[w]35 [x]So will my heavenly Father do to you, unless each of you forgives his brother from his heart.”


Here, in subsequent verses following verse 22, Jesus then elaborates on Himself. He is basically saying that by your sinful conduct or wickedness, you can turn your salvation into your damnation.

God bless you.

Christ's point is those who are forgiven must also show forgiveness to others, they won't do that unless they are transformed into the image of Christ by being born of God anew. So yes, the unforgiving servant was not saved since he did not act Christlike in forgiving the debt owed him of his brother from the heart. Christ warns us unless you forgive your brother from the heart, neither will God forgive you your sins, which is ultimately what happened to this wicked servant.

The heart of man is desperately wicked, unless a man is born from above, given the new heart, they will just carry on the same old evil life even if God forgave them their sins.
Even if Christ forgave a gross sinner their debt to Him, unless the heart is changed, the evil nature will and must manifest, be shown in their daily life. Out from the natural born earthly heart proceeds wickedness, even so as God tells us of the nature of man in Genesis 8.
God’s Covenant with Creation
20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. 21 And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.

This parable was given in response to Peter asking about how many times to forgive his brother of only maybe seven times, and Christ emphasized seventy times seven times we are to be forgiving each other, just as God in Christ forgave you all your sins.

Luke 6:45
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.

Mark 7:21
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,

Matthew 18:35
“So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”
 
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Peace be with you.

The Word of God for the Salvation of Mankind had to be spread by His Disciples. Only for those who enter into a Covenant of Salvation with Jesus Christ will there be forgiveness of sins. And it is conditional on their obedience to the Word of God and doing God's Will.
Sure sounds like a works salvation system to me.

But the Bible teaches otherwise: we are saved by grace through faith, NOT of works.
 
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