EU, changes coming? BREXIT

[Straightshot]

"Well no, you are wrong"


I don't think so .... the beast's little horn will invade Israel at the middle of the tribulation and rule for 42 months [1260 days .... the second half of the 70th week decreed for Israel] .... Egypt [the kingdom of the south] will have already fallen and made a part of his Middle Eastern kingdom before the battle of Armageddon at the end of the tribulation

.... Egypt does not appear in the line up of the Muslim kingdoms listed in Ezekiel 38 which will be destroyed by the Lord [Ezekiel 39]

The current break up of the EU is foretelling .... Rome will not be revived as you think

Because the two kingdoms of the north and south of Israel at the time of the end can in no way be describe as a revived Euro-centered modern day Roman Empire ... Europe is neither north or south of the holy land

When you see this idea of yours fail to come to pass I will contact and remind you .... the evidence is soon to come

 

[Douggg]

I don't think so .... the beast's little horn will invade Israel at the middle of the tribulation and rule for 42 months [1260 days .... the second half of the 70th week decreed for Israel] .... Egypt [the kingdom of the south] will have already fallen and made a part of his Middle Eastern kingdom before the battle of Armageddon at the end of the tribulation

The bible doesn't say he rules just Israel and the middle east - but the entire world.

Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

What group of middle eastern countries have the military strength to exert the will of its leader over the rest of the world?

.... Egypt does not appear in the line up of the Muslim kingdoms listed in Ezekiel 38 which will be destroyed by the Lord [Ezekiel 39]

That invasion force Gog/Magog takes place right before the 7 years.

The current break up of the EU is foretelling .... Rome will not be revived as you think

Because the two kingdoms of the north and south of Israel at the time of the end can in no way be describe as a revived Euro-centered modern day Roman Empire ... Europe is neither north or south of the holy land

It doesn't say two "kingdoms" of the north and south of Israel. But the king of the north and king of the south. The world near the end of the 7 years will be aligned by powers of the north, south, east, west. You never did address the news out of the east troubling him and the kings of the east in Revelation 16 crossing the dried up Euphrates.

Get out a map. Europe is north-west of Israel, the direction the little horn heads to Israel with a strong army in Daniel 8:9.

The word revived is not in the bible, and is a misnomer for them who believe that the head mortally wounded and healed refers to the Roman Empire. Instead of the correct interpretation of being the little horn person who will be killed and brought back to life sometime in the future in the middle part of the 7 years.

The EU has not broken up. The EU must evolve to becoming that ten leader form of government with one leader over them.
That evolution is what you are witnessing before your eyes as things go forward.

 

[Straightshot]

"You never did address the news out of the east troubling him and the kings of the east inRevelation 16 crossing the dried up Euphrates."

The little horn will destroy [sweep away] his opposition from the east and from the north [Daniel 11:44]

Just as he will defeat the king of the south and confiscate his land [Daniel 11:40; 41]

.... and he will destroy western domination of MBG along with its "great city" [Revelation 8:6-12; 14:8; 17:16-18; 18]

And He will attack and rule over the land of Israel for the second 1260 days .... and then come to his ending [Daniel 11:41; Micah 5:5-6]

.... now you explain all of this above and tell now your story fits

 

[Douggg]

"You never did address the news out of the east troubling him and the kings of the east inRevelation 16 crossing the dried up Euphrates."

The little horn will destroy [sweep away] his opposition from the east and from the north [Daniel 11:44]

Who is that opposition from the east? You have a model of Assyria (the king of the north) versus Egypt (the king of the south), based on the historical verses in Daniel 11. But that historical model on what are now historical verses doesn't contain any eastern power because at the time of the Seleucid's and Ptolemy's there were not global powers.

Who forced Antiochus IV (the king of the North) to turn back - according to history? The king of the South?

 

[Douggg]

.... now you explain all of this above and tell now your story fits

I explained Daniel 11:40-45 in detail in Post #75 of this thread.

 

[stephen583]

The bible doesn't say he rules just Israel and the middle east - but the entire world.

Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Once again Douggg, you are assigning your own interpretation to a biblical prophecy, without considering any alternative translation, and expecting everybody to accept it as fact. Having "power" over ever nation, does not necessarily mean "ruling" every nation in the world. Power over a nation, can also mean the capacity to "influence" the decisions, or destiny of other nations.

For example, the United States held the destiny and fate of Great Britain in it's hands during World War Two, that doesn't mean however the United States ruled Great Britain. After the Second World war, the United States became the leader of the Free World. That doesn't mean the United States became the "ruler" of the Free World.

So the "One World" Government you are proposing, is merely an "imaginary" construct, in which an Anti-Christ dictator is going to plant his flag in every nation on Earth, and honestly, I think you are jumping to conclusions without any solid evidence to back it up. In other words, it sounds like pure FICTION to me.

 

[Douggg]

In other words, it sounds like pure FICTION to me.

What you are doing is flaming. It would be like me commenting on what you write as it sounds like Donald Duck quacking. Those kind of remarks are against the forum rules.

 

[Douggg]

Once again Douggg, you are assigning your own interpretation to a biblical prophecy, without considering any alternative translation, and expecting everybody to accept it as fact. Having "power" over ever nation, does not necessarily mean "ruling" every nation in the world. Power over a nation, can also mean the capacity to "influence" the decisions, or destiny of other nations.

For example, the United States held the destiny and fate of Great Britain in it's hands during World War Two, that doesn't mean however the United States ruled Great Britain. After the Second World war, the United States became the leader of the Free World. That doesn't mean the United States became the "ruler" of the Free World.

So the "One World" Government you are proposing, is merely an "imaginary" construct, in which an Anti-Christ dictator is going to plant his flag in every nation on Earth, and honestly, I think you are jumping to conclusions without any solid evidence to back it up. In other words, it sounds like pure FICTION to me.

I didn't write one world government. The beast will be the leader of the west. The west will be the dominant power in the world over the other three quadrants. It does so by having superior military strength and wealth.

In your example of the United States, the United States had the military power and wealth to be one of the post WWII superpowers.

Your model doesn't work because no ten nation alignment of middle east states has the military capacity to exert it's will over the world.

In Europe, the move to form a single military is the building of Europe from the EU to the European Superstate.

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[Marilyn C]

Hi Douggg,

If I may come in on this interesting conversation. Now let`s consider this scripture -

`A king shall arise having fierce features, who understands sinister schemes. His power shall be mighty but not by his own power: he shall destroy fearfully....through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper under his hand; & he shall magnify himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity....` (Dan. 8: 24 & 25)

Thus we see that the leader of the `terrifying` Federation, overcomes his opposition, not so much by military power but by cunning & deceit.

regards, Marilyn.

 

[stephen583]

In Europe, the move to form a single military is the building of Europe from the EU to the European Superstate.

Douggg. There is NEVER going to be a European "Super-state". Other European countries are going to follow Britain's example. The European Union is becoming weaker, not stronger... both financially and militarily. Denmark already announced it would follow the Brits and withdraw from the E.U. if that was the decision of the Brexit referendum, so did several other Scandinavian countries. None of them have so far announced any change in their plans.

On MSNBC News today, a national Harris Poll indicates only 16% of Americans disagree with Britain's decision to withdraw from the European Union. Both in America and abroad, the vast majority of people are sick to death and disgusted with the idea of "globalization", whether you are talking about economic markets, government institutions, treaties, or military co-operation between nations. Nationalism and protectionism is in, "globalization" is out. It's just not trending anywhere anymore.

There isn't going to be any world wide Caliphate emerging out of the Arab World either. The United States and Russia (along with the help of several Arab nations), are currently in the process of "eradicating" the self proclaimed "Islamic Caliphate" of ISIS. That's also going in the "opposite" direction of what some here in CF are predicting will occur in the immediate future. The chances of it actually happening ?!... are ZERO.

 

[stephen583]

Thus we see that the leader of the `terrifying` Federation, overcomes his opposition, not so much by military power but by cunning & deceit.

Exactly. It's history repeating itself. That's how Adolf Hitler came to power, by cunning and deceit. He stated many times, he would NEVER DECLARE WAR ON ANY COUNTRY, instead, he would just simply ATTACK when they didn't expect it. When he went into Austria, the Sudetenland, the Baltics and the Ukraine, he assured the world he was only protecting the ethnic German people who lived there, and Germany had no ambitions of creating a global empire. Hitler was even featured on the cover of Time Magazine in 1938 as the "Man of the Year" for promising to bring lasting Peace to Europe.

Vladimir Putin is following the same script. He didn't declare war on the Crimea. He hasn't declared war on the Ukraine either, even though he's supporting a civil war there, (ostensibly to protect ethnic Russians living in the Ukraine). Putin hasn't declared war on Turkey, although a Russian Sukhoi Su-24 fighter bomber was shot down in late 2015 by the Turks when it flew into Turkish territory in an area contested between Turkey and Syria. Russia hasn't declared war on the United States, even though Russian combat aircraft are bombing anti-Assad forces supported by the United States in Syria. Yet many people like Vladimir Putin and believe his claims he's only trying to bring "PEACE" to the world. Forbes Magazine twice named him the "Most Powerful Man In The World", (2012-2014).

Hitler came to power through the SA (a small group of radical thugs). Vladimir Putin began his career in East Germany with the KGB (a small group of thugs). Hitler was elected to power, so was Vladimir Putin. After the Reichstag was bombed, Hitler seized total power and eliminated the SA by murdering them. Putin's first act as President of Russia was to pardon Boris Yeltsin for any crimes related to corruption he may have committed while president, and then Putin began murdering and jailing any political dissenters in Russia, setting up a virtual Stalinist dictatorship, according to a U.S. State Department report in 2012.

Is it me, or am I the only one who sees the parallels here ?! Putin is being steered by the same demons as Adolf Hitler. The names and the faces may have changed, but the plan remains the same.

I think everybody has about one, two years left before WWIII kicks into high gear. In July 2015, Putin said that's how long it would take to completely modernize Russia's nuclear forces, and NATO would not be able to stop him in Europe. You know what ? I'd take that threat seriously.

 

[Douggg]

Hi Douggg,

If I may come in on this interesting conversation. Now let`s consider this scripture -

`A king shall arise having fierce features, who understands sinister schemes. His power shall be mighty but not by his own power: he shall destroy fearfully....through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper under his hand; & he shall magnify himself in his heart. He shall destroy many in their prosperity....` (Dan. 8: 24 & 25)

Thus we see that the leader of the `terrifying` Federation, overcomes his opposition, not so much by military power but by cunning & deceit.

regards, Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn, welcome to this forum. Same Marilyn from CARM, right?

In Daniel 8:24-25, the person comes to be leader of the kingdom of the transgressors - the ten kings, who will eventually pledge their kingdom to him when he become the beast 3 1/2 years later (thereabouts) - through help of the occult, craft....
continues relying on the occult (Satan and fallen angels) for his success until the day he is destroyed by Jesus's return.

Initially, he becomes leader of the EU final form in the European Antichrist model, as king 7 of the Roman Empire, (kings of the Julio Claudian family - 6 of which are historic presently). That's him as the leader coming up among ten kings in Daniel 7.

In Daniel 8, he will have been the leader of the EU for a while - when Gog/Magog is on the verge of invading. Which is why it says he "stands up" in Daniel 8:23. "stands up" is an idiom, a saying, for prepares to go to war. It is something animals do right at they charge toward each other and fight.

So he positions his EU military in Greece, Daniel 8:9, to be a deterent to stave off the Gog/Magog invasion - which takes place anyway...and Gog's army is supernaturally destroyed by God. The little horn, and his European leaders move into the middle east grabbing up the oil fields in the aftermath, which is him gaining control of the former 3 historic kingdoms territories in Revelation 13.

In the aftermath of Gog/Magog, the Jews will think they are on the brink of the messianic age, and their deliverer is the little horn person because of his intent to come to the defense of Israel. He becomes the king of Israel, most likely anointed by the false prophet, who will arise. Thus, a false messianic age of peace and harmony, throughout the world will begin. He thus destroys many by peace, luring them into a false sense of security.

He confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant, as the Jews are expecting, by having the law read to the nation from the temple mount, Deuteronomy 31:9-13, to begin the 7 years. A perpetual cycle in the text of Deuteronomy 31:9-13 of a law that Moses made.

The false messianic age, and false messiah, causes many Christians to think the Jews were right all along, and the great falling away in Christianity will begin. 2thessalonians2:3-4.

3 years, 4 months into the 7 years, the sudden destruction begins, the Day of the Lord, when the person goes into the temple, which will be completed 220 days from the beginning of the 7 years, stopping the daily sacrifice, and sits claiming to be God..."the transgression" of desolation of Daniel 8, because he will have become magnified in his heart that he has achieved God- hood - which is in Daniel 8 and Ezekiel 28:1-10, which those two pair together by him being magnified in his heart, and Ezekiel 28:1-10 paired with 2thessalonians2:3-4 of sitting in the seat of God.

After God has the person killed for his audacious act of claiming to be God, and brought back to life in disdain for him; the person becomes possessed by the unclean spirit of the original beast ascending out of the bottomless pit - Nimrod, the Assyrian - which it all but names Nimrod in Micah 5 - the person become the 8th king of the Roman Empire, continuing the short space as it says in Revelation 17:10 of 42 months.

The ten kings of the European Superstate - which is in the process of creating its own military now - will pledge their kingdom to the person, and will rule with him for one hour - the 42 months, to dominate the world.

So yes, he uses craft to prosper from the outset, but he gets into it so heavily, that Satan is able to convince the person in his heart that he has achieved God-hood. The personality of the persons makes it possible because he seeks out help from the occult, Kabbalah, because he will be a Jew, and has a tremendous ego (not because he is a Jew, but just his particular personality).

To identify the person, in the early stages, what is necessary is that the person have a stern look about him, and that he is leader of Europe, over a ten king form of government, and is a Jew.

 

[Straightshot]

In a nut shell .... the prophets visions are all focused upon Israel in the midst of the nations virulent enemies .... not other place upon the earth at the time of the end of this present age

One needs to look specifically there for understanding

The surrounding region of the Middle East is primarily the scope of the visions, and the populations are of the Muslim religion today .... those who would usurp Israel's position

This root controversy between Abraham's offspring of Isaac/Jacob/Israel and Ishmael/Edom/Esau is still ongoing and is the divide that will bring the Lord back to reconstitute His nation

This controversy has nothing to do with the ancient Roman Empire of western culture which by the way is only recorded as a matter of the historical record in scripture, but not seen in any prophetic vision .... simply not there

The coming little horn of Satan's crafting will not rule the whole world, but only over his 6th and 7th Middle Eastern kingdoms .... what he will do is to cause great destruction to those nations from afar who oppose him

This individual will not be an ordinary human, but will have supernatural powers far beyond human capacity to make war and to destroy his enemies .... he will be fully possessed by Satan's beast from the abyss who is a fallen angel like Satan himself

This sounds weird to the modern mind of men, but the related scriptures reveal things unseen that the Lord will allow for His purposes in the struggle between Himself and His primary rival

So He is going to bring the battle to the earth during the "day of the Lord" for all to see

The prophecies of this debacle are already written in advance and this satanic contrivance will involve his religion of Islam against the Lord, who is still a "Jew" by the way regarding His humanity [Revelation 5:5]

And this little horn will not be of western origin, will not rule over the entire earth, will not reconstitute a Euro-centric "revived" Roman Empire, and will cause great destruction across the earth until the Lord breaks him at the battle of Armageddon which will play out in the Middle East

If one wants to understand these things correctly one must spend time in the scriptures and with no imposition of bias toward preconceptions of past religious interpretations

One must also have a good grasp of the related historical record and a realistic evaluation of current events on going as observed

There will be no revived Euro-centric "revival" of the ancient Roman Empire now in the dust bin of history according to the visions of the Bible prophets as some think

There is no point in kicking a dead horse on the matter

 

[Straightshot]

"Is it me, or am I the only one who sees the parallels here ?! Putin is being steered by the same demons as Adolf Hitler. The names and the faces may have changed, but the plan remains the same."

The problem with your pick is that Putin does not fit the biblical profile of the little horn of Daniel's visions .... or the other prophets and Revelation's unfolding on the subject

However, you are correct that the game is the same .... it all comes from the cosmic controversy between the Lord and Satan

If you want to know where this battle will play out and who will be directly involved you must study the related prophecies carefully and watch the Middle East for the stage setting

When the little horn arises and appears out of the northern vestiges of the land between the two rivers of Mesopotamia [Syria/Iraq today] and begins to confederated the divides of the 400 million Muslim populations in the region you will know that the Lord is at the gate to protect a remnant part of His national people of Israel and to destroy Satan's entire ploy in short order

Spreading radical Islamic terrorism is the vanguard of what is coming

.... and Putin's Russia will fall to the little by the northern Muslim enclaves bordering Putin's camp [Daniel 11:44]

 

[Douggg]

In a nut shell .... the prophets visions are all focused upon Israel in the midst of the nations virulent enemies .... not other place upon the earth at the time of the end of this present age

Not true. Many of the important ones are on the entire world. Such as ,no one will be able to buy or sell without the mark, number, or name of the beast.

And the plagues of the trumpets, bowels, vials, are over other parts of the world, the bulk of Revelation. And the hour of temptation that comes up on the entire world. And that if the tribulation time were no limited no flesh shall survive.

And that all nations come up against Jerusalem at the end of the seven years. And that all nations armies are drawn into the middle east. And that in Gog/Magog them thinking they are safe living a distance away will be judged.

And that in the seals, wars break out world wide. And that there will be global starvation. And that there will be a great falling away from Christianity.

And that the two witnesses send plagues that smite the earth, world wide.

And woe to the inhabitants of the earth for the devil will be cast down, having great wrath.

And all that dwell upon the earth, except for them who's name are written in the Lamb's book of life, will worship the beast.

And that there will be a war in the second heaven.

And that the heavens will be shaken, and the cosmos parted away, and the throne of God, appearing to all the earth.

And all the earth shall mourn.

And that globally all them who sleep in Christ shall be raised, and globally all them alive in Christ shall be translated.

The sign of widespread promotion of homosexuality - worldwide.

Violence widespread worldwide.

 

[Douggg]

Exactly. It's history repeating itself. That's how Adolf Hitler came to power, by cunning and deceit. He stated many times, he would NEVER DECLARE WAR ON ANY COUNTRY, instead, he would just simply ATTACK when they didn't expect it. When he went into Austria, the Sudetenland, the Baltics and the Ukraine, he assured the world he was only protecting the ethnic German people who lived there, and Germany had no ambitions of creating a global empire. Hitler was even featured on the cover of Time Magazine in 1938 as the "Man of the Year" for promising to bring lasting Peace to Europe.

Vladimir Putin is following the same script. He didn't declare war on the Crimea. He hasn't declared war on the Ukraine either, even though he's supporting a civil war there, (ostensibly to protect ethnic Russians living in the Ukraine). Putin hasn't declared war on Turkey, although a Russian Sukhoi Su-24 fighter bomber was shot down in late 2015 by the Turks when it flew into Turkish territory in an area contested between Turkey and Syria. Russia hasn't declared war on the United States, even though Russian combat aircraft are bombing anti-Assad forces supported by the United States in Syria. Yet many people like Vladimir Putin and believe his claims he's only trying to bring "PEACE" to the world. Forbes Magazine twice named him the "Most Powerful Man In The World", (2012-2014).

Hitler came to power through the SA (a small group of radical thugs). Vladimir Putin began his career in East Germany with the KGB (a small group of thugs). Hitler was elected to power, so was Vladimir Putin. After the Reichstag was bombed, Hitler seized total power and eliminated the SA by murdering them. Putin's first act as President of Russia was to pardon Boris Yeltsin for any crimes related to corruption he may have committed while president, and then Putin began murdering and jailing any political dissenters in Russia, setting up a virtual Stalinist dictatorship, according to a U.S. State Department report in 2012.

Is it me, or am I the only one who sees the parallels here ?! Putin is being steered by the same demons as Adolf Hitler. The names and the faces may have changed, but the plan remains the same.

I think everybody has about one, two years left before WWIII kicks into high gear. In July 2015, Putin said that's how long it would take to completely modernize Russia's nuclear forces, and NATO would not be able to stop him in Europe. You know what ? I'd take that threat seriously.

Puitin cannot be the Antichrist because he cannot become the King of Israel.
The Antichrist and antichrists in 1John2 is based upon what Jesus said in John 5.

 

[stephen583]

Spreading radical Islamic terrorism is the vanguard of what is coming

The idea Islamic terrorism is a sign of the creation of a "global" Middle Eastern Caliphate (as it relates to End Time Bible Prophecy) sounds like pure FICTION to me . I've heard the assertion over and over again in this thread, but aside from claims it's going to happen, it must happen, or just wait and you'll see it happen, I have Never heard any proponent of this theory explain HOW it's supposed to HAPPEN.

Three ISIS terrorist bombings just occurred in Saudi Arabia today. Bangladesh and Iraq were targeted right before that, and Turkey was attacked last week.

How exactly is ISIS supposed to "unify" the Arab and Moslem world against Israel, and create a global Caliphate, while attacking Moslem countries with suicide bombers ??? Somehow I don't see that as a very good plan for creating solidarity among Moslem nations. Help me understand what you guys are talking about, because frankly I don't get it.

I don't see the irrefutable proof you see in posting End Time Bible Prophecy, and stating they unequivocally relate to the Middle East and Arab countries, when you don't offer any evidence as to how you reach that conclusion. Merely posting Bible verses without making any contextual explanation, doesn't prove anything, and we're not "mind" readers.

It sounds to me like someone "regurgitating" rhetoric someone else has fed them, without understanding if there actually is, or is not, any context. It sounds more like pseudo-eschatology based on "irrational" bigotry, instead of serious work.

"If you can't explain something simply, you just don't understand it well enough".

Albert Einstein

 

[Straightshot]

"The idea Islamic terrorism is a sign of the creation of a "global" Middle Eastern Caliphate (as it relates to End Time Bible Prophecy) sounds like pure FICTION to me"


Do you consider the Lord's prophetic word to be "fiction"? .... if so, then I can see why your are perplexed

The Lord's prophet are never wrong .... you say I don't offer scriptural support, but you are either ignoring my postings on this forum .... or you are intentionally lying

You don't get it because you are not reading your Bible .... instead you are making evaluations from a worldly point of view .... and not very accurate ones

The scriptures tell of one coming who will unite the Muslim factions that currently exist in the Middle East .... this is going to happen

.... the prophets are never wrong

If you want help to learn and understand these things, I will attempt to assist you, however you must understand that I will not engage in negative argumentation if that is your intent .... it will not take me long to see your motivations

You also need to know that I do not have to entertain you .... and if you are not willing to learn .... I don't care

It makes no difference to me one way or the other

 

[Marilyn C]

Exactly. It's history repeating itself. That's how Adolf Hitler came to power, by cunning and deceit. He stated many times, he would NEVER DECLARE WAR ON ANY COUNTRY, instead, he would just simply ATTACK when they didn't expect it. When he went into Austria, the Sudetenland, the Baltics and the Ukraine, he assured the world he was only protecting the ethnic German people who lived there, and Germany had no ambitions of creating a global empire. Hitler was even featured on the cover of Time Magazine in 1938 as the "Man of the Year" for promising to bring lasting Peace to Europe.

Vladimir Putin is following the same script. He didn't declare war on the Crimea. He hasn't declared war on the Ukraine either, even though he's supporting a civil war there, (ostensibly to protect ethnic Russians living in the Ukraine). Putin hasn't declared war on Turkey, although a Russian Sukhoi Su-24 fighter bomber was shot down in late 2015 by the Turks when it flew into Turkish territory in an area contested between Turkey and Syria. Russia hasn't declared war on the United States, even though Russian combat aircraft are bombing anti-Assad forces supported by the United States in Syria. Yet many people like Vladimir Putin and believe his claims he's only trying to bring "PEACE" to the world. Forbes Magazine twice named him the "Most Powerful Man In The World", (2012-2014).

Hitler came to power through the SA (a small group of radical thugs). Vladimir Putin began his career in East Germany with the KGB (a small group of thugs). Hitler was elected to power, so was Vladimir Putin. After the Reichstag was bombed, Hitler seized total power and eliminated the SA by murdering them. Putin's first act as President of Russia was to pardon Boris Yeltsin for any crimes related to corruption he may have committed while president, and then Putin began murdering and jailing any political dissenters in Russia, setting up a virtual Stalinist dictatorship, according to a U.S. State Department report in 2012.

Is it me, or am I the only one who sees the parallels here ?! Putin is being steered by the same demons as Adolf Hitler. The names and the faces may have changed, but the plan remains the same.

I think everybody has about one, two years left before WWIII kicks into high gear. In July 2015, Putin said that's how long it would take to completely modernize Russia's nuclear forces, and NATO would not be able to stop him in Europe. You know what ? I'd take that threat seriously.

Hi Stephen,

The Russian word for Peace is `Meer,` the same word means `the world.` So when they claim to want peace, are they in fact wanting the world?

Also I believe that WW3 is just on the horizon - about 3 1/2 years.

Marilyn

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn, welcome to this forum. Same Marilyn from CARM, right?

In Daniel 8:24-25, the person comes to be leader of the kingdom of the transgressors - the ten kings, who will eventually pledge their kingdom to him when he become the beast 3 1/2 years later (thereabouts) - through help of the occult, craft....
continues relying on the occult (Satan and fallen angels) for his success until the day he is destroyed by Jesus's return.

Initially, he becomes leader of the EU final form in the European Antichrist model, as king 7 of the Roman Empire, (kings of the Julio Claudian family - 6 of which are historic presently). That's him as the leader coming up among ten kings in Daniel 7.

In Daniel 8, he will have been the leader of the EU for a while - when Gog/Magog is on the verge of invading. Which is why it says he "stands up" in Daniel 8:23. "stands up" is an idiom, a saying, for prepares to go to war. It is something animals do right at they charge toward each other and fight.

So he positions his EU military in Greece, Daniel 8:9, to be a deterent to stave off the Gog/Magog invasion - which takes place anyway...and Gog's army is supernaturally destroyed by God. The little horn, and his European leaders move into the middle east grabbing up the oil fields in the aftermath, which is him gaining control of the former 3 historic kingdoms territories in Revelation 13.

In the aftermath of Gog/Magog, the Jews will think they are on the brink of the messianic age, and their deliverer is the little horn person because of his intent to come to the defense of Israel. He becomes the king of Israel, most likely anointed by the false prophet, who will arise. Thus, a false messianic age of peace and harmony, throughout the world will begin. He thus destroys many by peace, luring them into a false sense of security.

He confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant, as the Jews are expecting, by having the law read to the nation from the temple mount, Deuteronomy 31:9-13, to begin the 7 years. A perpetual cycle in the text of Deuteronomy 31:9-13 of a law that Moses made.

The false messianic age, and false messiah, causes many Christians to think the Jews were right all along, and the great falling away in Christianity will begin. 2thessalonians2:3-4.

3 years, 4 months into the 7 years, the sudden destruction begins, the Day of the Lord, when the person goes into the temple, which will be completed 220 days from the beginning of the 7 years, stopping the daily sacrifice, and sits claiming to be God..."the transgression" of desolation of Daniel 8, because he will have become magnified in his heart that he has achieved God- hood - which is in Daniel 8 and Ezekiel 28:1-10, which those two pair together by him being magnified in his heart, and Ezekiel 28:1-10 paired with 2thessalonians2:3-4 of sitting in the seat of God.

After God has the person killed for his audacious act of claiming to be God, and brought back to life in disdain for him; the person becomes possessed by the unclean spirit of the original beast ascending out of the bottomless pit - Nimrod, the Assyrian - which it all but names Nimrod in Micah 5 - the person become the 8th king of the Roman Empire, continuing the short space as it says in Revelation 17:10 of 42 months.

The ten kings of the European Superstate - which is in the process of creating its own military now - will pledge their kingdom to the person, and will rule with him for one hour - the 42 months, to dominate the world.

So yes, he uses craft to prosper from the outset, but he gets into it so heavily, that Satan is able to convince the person in his heart that he has achieved God-hood. The personality of the persons makes it possible because he seeks out help from the occult, Kabbalah, because he will be a Jew, and has a tremendous ego (not because he is a Jew, but just his particular personality).

To identify the person, in the early stages, what is necessary is that the person have a stern look about him, and that he is leader of Europe, over a ten king form of government, and is a Jew.

Hi Douggg,

You have presented a lot of material, whereas it is more helpful to just work on one point, (I believe). Now I do believe that Europe will become the United States of Europe - Political & Economic. However I do not see the EU as the final world power.

Yes I was on CARM for a short time.

Marilyn