Rebellious Women

[expos4ever]

Jesus first appearance was not a time of war, it was time of lover's expressions, and peace, not so upon his return, he offered them time to repent, they didn't, it takes time for wrath and indignation to build up...

I just cannot reconcile the Jesus we see in the gospels with this image of an agent of wholesale slaughter.

 

[LaSorcia]

In Hebrew, the "Ruach Elohiym" is the spirit of God, the Spirit hovering over the water at creation - spirit/wind.
In Hebrew, this is a feminine word.
So, in the Old Testament, the Holy Spirit is always a she.
So is the Glory of God, the Shekinah. This is, likewise, feminine,

Paul also writes that woman is the glory of man, hmm lol. Is there a parallel here?
Humour aside, the real and holy idea is to stop being selfish, each person 'submits' to and meets the needs of the ones around them. We are all supposed to live like this. Everyone's needs get met if we all focus on meeting the needs of others. Sadly, this doesn't happen like it should in our broken world. Instead, we all try to meet our own needs and occasionally meet those of others. But thankfully (and I have seen this from experience, praise God!), when we set about trying to live this way, God takes care of us! It's beautiful and amazing.

So, I don't have a problem per se with marital sacrifice and submission. It's the misogyny, holier than thou attitude and focus on blaming women for what they are doing wrong instead of looking at oneself or men and what they do wrong. I am not surprised though. After all, that's exactly what Adam did after the fall...

 

[Neogaia777]

Do you think I demand of my wife to serve and make me dinner all the time, or demand sex, or that she do my laundry and clean house, that a woman's only place in the home, barefoot and pregnant, or spout to her all the apostles massaginistic remarks, NO!, I treat her like Magneto treated Jean Grey in X-men, Magneto, "Charles tried to control you", Jean Grey "Are you trying to control me?" Magneto, "No, Jean, I want you to be who you are..." This is how I treat my woman, and women in general...

& yes, she is my glory, which is why I treat her with respect and honor...

God Bless!

 

[Strong in Him]

I'm not, but even in the Garden, God did not speak directly to Eve, it was Adam's Job to convey to Eve what God had said... He was therefore, her head...

Eve hadn't been created when God gave Adam that command.
Eve was created from one of Adam's ribs - from his side - and created because "it was not good for him to be alone". She only became subject to him after the fall.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

A charter member of the he-man women hater's club has arisen from the ashes...

 

[Neogaia777]

Do you think I demand of my wife to serve and make me dinner all the time, or demand sex, or that she do my laundry and clean house, that a woman's only place in the home, barefoot and pregnant, or spout to her all the apostles massaginistic remarks, NO!, I treat her like Magneto treated Jean Grey in X-men, Magneto, "Charles tried to control you", Jean Grey "Are you trying to control me?" Magneto, "No, Jean, I want you to be who you are..." This is how I treat my woman, and women in general...

& yes, she is my glory, which is why I treat her with respect and honor...

I want to liberate her and set her free, not dominate and control her...

It is true though, over the years she has grown (as a woman) and now has a desire to do some of these things for me, and I don't stop her, I let her, but I never put any pressure on her, and I always say "Thank you", and "I appreciate it" and say she makes me a nice dinner, I will say something like "oh, this soo good honey, thank you." or something like that, or "the house looks nice." or, "oh, you did my laundry, thank you!" and let her know her womanly efforts are greatly appreciated by me...

God Bless!

 

[pat34lee]

This sounds an awful lot like legalism to me. God is concerned with the heart of a person

LEGALISM - The cry of the outlaw

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked:

 

[MotherFirefly]

Do you think I demand of my wife to serve and make me dinner all the time, or demand sex, or that she do my laundry and clean house, that a woman's only place in the home, barefoot and pregnant, or spout to her all the apostles massaginistic remarks, NO!, I treat her like Magneto treated Jean Grey in X-men, Magneto, "Charles tried to control you", Jean Grey "Are you trying to control me?" Magneto, "No, Jean, I want you to be who you are..." This is how I treat my woman, and women in general...

& yes, she is my glory, which is why I treat her with respect and honor...

I want to liberate her and set her free, not dominate and control her...

It is true though, over the years she has grown (as a woman) and now has a desire to do some of these things for me, and I don't stop her, I let her, but I never put any pressure on her, and I always say "Thank you", and "I appreciate it" and say she makes me a nice dinner, I will say something like "oh, this soo good honey, thank you." or something like that, or "the house looks nice." or, "oh, you did my laundry, thank you!" and let her know her womanly efforts are greatly appreciated by me...

God Bless!

If your proclamations are true, than none of this is of any concern to you...

 

[pat34lee]

I just cannot reconcile the Jesus we see in the gospels with this image of an agent of wholesale slaughter.

Then you need to read deeper. Begin at Genesis, not Matthew.
It sounds like you don't understand God.

 

[expos4ever]

Then you need to read deeper. Begin at Genesis, not Matthew.
It sounds like you don't understand God.

Please. I am quite familiar with both testaments. My comments were specifically about Jesus.

 

[Neogaia777]

If your proclamations are true, than none of this is of any concern to you...

The point is the things I didn't demand of her were actually womanly traits and roles, but I waited until she had developed the desire to do it, and put no pressure on her, but her doing and wanting to do those womanly things, makes me feel more like a man from her... and men's and women's roles are different, I taught her how to cook meat when when we first met, and we cooked together, cause I enjoy food and cooking, but she has taken over since then, because she wanted to, of her own free-will, I have always respected that, and not because I demanded or put any pressure on her...

God Bless!

 

[amariselle]

LEGALISM - The cry of the outlaw

Wait....are you calling me an "outlaw"?

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jeremiah 17:9
The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked:

I am quite familiar with these verses.

 

[MotherFirefly]

The point is the things I didn't demand of her were actually womanly traits and roles, but I waited until she had developed the desire to do it, and put no pressure on her, but her doing and wanting to do those womanly things, makes me feel more like a man from her... and men's and women's roles are different, I taught her how to cook meat when when we first met, and we cooked together, cause I enjoy food and cooking, but she has taken over since then, because she wanted to, not because I demanded or put pressure on her...

God Bless!

And that is perfectly fine! She found a passion for cooking. Great I love cooking too!

What does that have to do with men who say a woman -must- cook,
A woman -must- clean,
a woman -must- _________
?

The issue is putting women in a box, with no way to voice their own ideas. As the OP would love to do.

 

[Hank77]

I'm not, but even in the Garden, God did not speak directly to Eve, it was Adam's Job to convey to Eve what God had said... He was therefore, her head, but Adam knew how to treat her, with respect and honor, from which Example many men can learn a thing or two...

When God spoke to Adam, Eve had not be created yet.
Because God told Nathan something to tell David, did that make Nathan David's head? No, it didn't.
I think we shouldn't assume it was that way with Adam and Eve. Especially not when we can clearly see that Adam's headship over Eve was part of the curse and it was because she would desire to please him, not because he would demand that she please him.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

my husband does all the housework and laundry...I go to work and school...gone 6 days a week!

Whatever floats your boat

 

[Neogaia777]

And that is perfectly fine! She found a passion for cooking. Great I love cooking too!

What does that have to do with men who say a woman -must- cook,
A woman -must- clean,
a woman -must- _________
?

The issue is putting women in a box, with no way to voice their own ideas. As the OP would love to do.

She has slowly developed a desire to do all these things of her own self, and her own free will, and I think she's a happier woman for it, and I'm a happier man, but, if the house isn't always tidy, I don't say anything, and if she cooks a meal, and it didn't really turn out all that great, I still say "thank you honey", and "I appreciate it" and eat it with thanksgiving...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

my husband does all the housework and laundry...I go to work and school...gone 6 days a week!

Whatever floats your boat

And I use to cook and clean and do the laundry and dishes and worked when she didn't, with no complaining, but she took over after a while, and she's a happier, more fulfilled woman for it, and I am happy... She was raised with four brothers and no sisters and a demanding massaganistic home, she didn't know "how" to be a woman when I met her, so I showed her how and she took over...

 

[Neogaia777]

And I use to cook and clean and do the laundry and worked when she didn't, with no complaining, but she took over after a while, and she's a happier, more fulfilled woman for it, and I am happy... She was raised with four brothers and no sisters and a demanding massaganistic home, she didn't know "how" to be a woman when I met her, so I showed her how and she took over...

And this was good for me, I got insight into what it is like to be like a woman, and gave me understanding and appreciation for a woman's role...

 

[Starcrystal]

What does that have to do with men who say a woman -must- cook,
.

Ha... I am notorious for taking over the kitchen and cooking, though women can cook if they want..I actually like doing it together...though I also like making spicy dishes from scratch and experimenting in the kitchen...

Ecclesiastes 4:9
"Two are better than one, because they have a good return for their labor: If either of them falls down, one can help the other up."

This also goes for starting the water, peeling the potatoes, making sure the sauce doesn't burn and stirring it while the other is prepping ingredients to add to the dish...
and it ends up delicious like something you might find in a gourmet restaurant.

That old school nonsense of "WOMAN, make me dinner!" is just off the charts ridiculous...like, make it yourself dude....

I'm more like.."just go relax, I'll make it".... unless she has a specific recipe in mind and we make it together...

 

[RedPonyDriver]

And I use to cook and clean and do the laundry and dishes and worked when she didn't, with no complaining, but she took over after a while, and she's a happier, more fulfilled woman for it, and I am happy... She was raised with four brothers and no sisters and a demanding massaganistic home, she didn't know "how" to be a woman when I met her, so I showed her how and she took over...

Umm...I grew up with four brothers, spent many years single so I did all those things myself...I still cook...but my husband does the rest. He's retired, I'm not. Why should I cook, clean, do laundry, work 40 hours a week and teach part-time when he's at home essentially doing not much? Because I'm a woman?