Rebellious Women

[All4Christ]

Is it Biblical for a woman to be limited to cooking, cleaning and caring for children? Is that the definition of a good wife?

Proverbs 31

The Virtuous Wife
10 Who[a] can find a virtuous wife?
For her worth is far above rubies.
11 The heart of her husband safely trusts her;
So he will have no lack of gain.
12 She does him good and not evil
All the days of her life.
13 She seeks wool and flax,
And willingly works with her hands.
14 She is like the merchant ships,
She brings her food from afar.
15 She also rises while it is yet night,
And provides food for her household,
And a portion for her maidservants.
16 She considers a field and buys it;
From her profits she plants a vineyard.
17 She girds herself with strength,
And strengthens her arms.
18 She perceives that her merchandise is good,
And her lamp does not go out by night.
19 She stretches out her hands to the distaff,
And her hand holds the spindle.
20 She extends her hand to the poor,
Yes, she reaches out her hands to the needy.
21 She is not afraid of snow for her household,
For all her household is clothed with scarlet.
22 She makes tapestry for herself;
Her clothing is fine linen and purple.
23 Her husband is known in the gates,
When he sits among the elders of the land.
24 She makes linen garments and sells them,
And supplies sashes for the merchants.
25 Strength and honor are her clothing;
She shall rejoice in time to come.
26 She opens her mouth with wisdom,
And on her tongue is the law of kindness.
27 She watches over the ways of her household,
And does not eat the bread of idleness.
28 Her children rise up and call her blessed;
Her husband also, and he praises her:
29 “Many daughters have done well,
But you excel them all.”
30 Charm is deceitful and beauty is passing,
But a woman who fears the Lord, she shall be praised.
31 Give her of the fruit of her hands,
And let her own works praise her in the gates.

Let's see some key points:

She works hard
She takes care of her family
She is smart
She knows how to handle finances
She is kind
She takes care of the poor
She does not eat the bread of idleness
She fears the Lord

I think that sounds like a good thing for all women to work towards no matter what our situation is. That doesn't mean that we are doormats. When scripture is lived out in integrity, it all works together. If an interpretation is skewed, it just causes strife.

 

[John Davidson]

Wow! Do you go to church? Women do the majority of the work men fail to do. Women most generally are the backbone of any church that's fact. Go to a prayer meeting, and who is there consistently, dependably there? Who teaches the lower grades, who is in the nursery changing and feeding to little ones? My experience and so are many if not most pastors will ing to say there are more Godly women then men by a very large number.

In the world outside of Christ women are just like men....lost and without Jesus.....sinners!

I do go to church but most of the Godly women there are older. I guess I should have phrased my statement that, "I know of very few Godly YOUNG women".

And even among the older women who are Christians there seems to be a lack of understanding of the Word.

I guess that is why Christ chose men to be his apostles.

 

[SkyWriting]

Too many women these days are living in rebellion. They don't want to submit to their husband. They want to be disobedient to God's Word. They don't respect their husbands or his authority in the home. These women will go to the lake of fire unless they repent. They are of a reprobate mind. There is no once saved always saved, which I feel most of these so-called Christian women subscribe to. It makes them comfortable in their sin. Not following God's will for their lives is sin. Sin separates us from God. When you sin, you are to confess them to God to be cleaned from all unrighteousness. I don't think that most of these rebellious women are confessing their sins to God, thus they remain unclean and under judgment.

Women today also fail to upkeep the home, as commanded by God in Timothy. They choose to drop their kids off at daycare instead of taking care of them, even when their husband earns enough money to get by. Many women now dress almost like men, wearing the same type of clothing that was once exclusively male. The Bible commands men not to dress like women and women not to dress like men, yet millions of women dress quasi-mannish. Gone are the days of dresses and skirts for them.

I'm afraid you have been overruled.

Make no demands of other people, unless you would have them make the same demands of you.
There is an exception. If people choose to allow rules to be made, then it is acceptable.
But other than that
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[ViaCrucis]

If you want to make a rebellious men thread, you're certainly able to do so.

It seems perfectly fair to address the obverse of the topic.

But it really seems the point of this thread is to complain about women not doing what you think they should do--based on your views on the Bible.

It would be quite hypocritical to talk about women being "rebellious" for not being submissive without talking about the rebellion of men not submitting to their wives as St. Paul instructs in Ephesians ch. 5

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

I do go to church but most of the Godly women there are older. I guess I should have phrased my statement that, "I know of very few Godly YOUNG women".

And even among the older women who are Christians there seems to be a lack of understanding of the Word.

I guess that is why Christ chose men to be his apostles.

Sts. Mary Magdalene and Junia might want to have a talk with you.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[faroukfarouk]

I like full sleeves as well but being in the south i would have a heat stroke in the summer if I wanted to dress and cover the tattoos.

I suppose it's because you're in the South that you feel some kind of obligation to cover tattoos. (Which is fine, of course.)

 

[amariselle]

I do go to church but most of the Godly women there are older. I guess I should have phrased my statement that I know of very few Godly YOUNG women.

And even among the older women who are Christians there seems to be a lack of understanding of the Word.

I guess that is why Christ chose men to be his apostles.

You do realize that Jesus had female disciples right? And these women were an integral part of the early church. Also, Paul worked alongside women as well, and he refers to several of them in his letters.

It was a patriarchal society, so certain things reflect that. But we can see from the life and ministry of Jesus that He cared deeply for women, and Paul clearly recognized the valuable role of women too.

 

[kmrichard7]

I suppose it's because you're in the South that you feel some kind of obligation to cover tattoos. (Which is fine, of course.)

It could be. I am modest and like to feel that classy i guess good girl feel. Probably influenced by being raised in the south.

I understand its just my views and what I prefer and that not everyone else sees the way I do. But since finding my husband he has helped me to be more laid back. The tattoos also help me express that as well.

 

[John Davidson]

You do realize that Jesus had female disciples right? And these women were an integral part of the early church. Also, Paul worked alongside women as well, and he refers to several of them in his letters.

It was a patriarchal society, so certain things reflect that. But we can see from the life and ministry of Jesus that He cared deeply for women, and Paul clearly recognized the valuable role of women too.

Yes, I completely agree.

Mainly though my comment is that I don't know of very many Godly young ladies.

There are only several young women who attend my church.

I don't personally know any of them very well so it is hard for me to gauge their commitment to Christ.

I can honestly say though I have found it very hard to find a Christian wife.

 

[All4Christ]

Yes, I completely agree.

Mainly though my comment is that I don't know of very many Godly young ladies.

There are only several young women who attend my church.

Do you know many Godly young men?

 

[amariselle]

Yes, I completely agree.

Mainly though my comment is that I don't know of very many Godly young ladies.

There are only several young women who attend my church.

I have often felt the same way about young men. (Before I was married specifically).

 

[faroukfarouk]

Do you know many Godly young men?

Good question; and what the term means is also pivotal.

 

[faroukfarouk]

It could be. I am modest and like to feel that classy i guess good girl feel. Probably influenced by being raised in the south.

I understand its just my views and what I prefer and that not everyone else sees the way I do. But since finding my husband he has helped me to be more laid back. The tattoos also help me express that as well.

Yes, well I guess you are recognizing now - as opposed to before, maybe; I don't know - that having some visible ink is within the bounds of modesty. Even though you like the option of putting on long sleeves sometimes.

I did see a quote from someone who was describing the sheer prevalence of tattoos among churches in the Bible Belt (which I assume meant the South). Maybe I'll try to dig it up.

 

[John Davidson]

Do you know many Godly young men?

Honestly, I would have to say no.

 

[tickingclocker]

If you want to make a rebellious men thread, you're certainly able to do so.

The point of this discussion is to point out and make known the rebellious nature of women that many, perhaps a majority, find themselves in. Don't you think that making sure that women don't go to the lake of fire is an important goal?

Why do women always seem to want to turn it around on men when anyone claims that women should be living godly. I admit that some men are not godly husbands, but I'd argue that women's pride prevents a man from leading his wife, as she "doesn't want to be controlled". Too many women think that they know better than God.

One thing that women fail to do is to point out just what this 'honoring their wives' is? In my opinion, it's a vague argument designed to take the responsibility off themselves. The Bible says to love your wife as Christ loved the church, Who gave Himself up for her". I would argue that most men would defend their wives if there was ever a threat. Therefore, I don't see how you can claim that most men are not doing their God-ordained role. True, many men aren't leading, but that is only because most men not leading are not being allowed to lead because their wife is rebellious and out of the will of God, refusing to allow him to lead.

Can't you see that modern feminist ideas have sought to break down the bonds between a man and a woman, based upon God's Word? It is ungodly and is destroying marriages. Hence, women filing for 69% of all divorces.

I've noticed the first thing some men do when their wives have to finally stand up and put their foot down to be seen and heard is, their husbands all of a sudden start (mis)quoting bible verses about obedience while ranting and railing against feminism. A marriage is where you care more about the other's happiness than about your own. When marriages break down, don't ever believe for a second there was only one party at fault if this isn't fully believed within both hearts and acted upon daily.

It's not because "too many women think that they know better than God". It's more like too many women know better, that their husband--is not God. That would be true. Women truly do want to respect their husbands. However, some husbands make that awfully hard to do. I for one could never fake it, and wouldn't expect other women to have to either.

 

[John Davidson]

I have often felt the same way about young men. (Before I was married specifically).

I guess it goes both ways. Narrow is the road and few there be that find it.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Probably influenced by being raised in the south.

PS: Here it is, FYI.

(Of course, it may also depend on precisely which evangelical churches.)

Around here (Bible Belt), it is common, especially among evangelical Christians, for the girls under about 40 to have religious tattoos. More do than don't, especially when you get to the under 30 crowd. I hardly know any female at church that is under 30 that does not have a tattoo.

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[ClothedInGrace]

What matters most is not necessarily the OP's views on proper female behavior, but his views on salvation and what it means to be saved. Dropping kids off at daycare is not enough to undo the work of Christ (nothing is). Salvation is an eternal work of God, and those with faith in Him are recipients of that salvation. The OP needs to learn what grace is.

 

[tickingclocker]

No, I want to make feminist-minded women aware that they're putting their eternal resting place in jeopardy. I actually don't desire that they go to the lake of fire.

Christian women don't go to the "lake of fire" for disobeying their husbands. No Christian will see that lake.

 

[fat wee robin]

My passion is looking after the home, dusting (I'm allergic to dust) and washing the kitchen floor??
Let me think about that for a second; no.

Well after years of wishing to do anything else ,I now appreciate the time in my home
to make it clean and good to live in .
Yes ,it can be satisfying as all the other STUFF finally is'nt .