No Greater Love -

[Subduction Zone]

Try one on here that you don't like the
answer anyone gives for it. Chances are
you still won't like the answer.

Arguing apologetics is actually against the rules here. I have been dinged before for doing so and will not risk it again for your amusement.

 

[SteveB28]

My original reply mistook science for evolution science
in the post I responded to. I have no problem with real
science.

What is real science, and why can't evolution be it?
Glad you asked.

It also goes back to the much maligned scientific method.
Depending who is teaching, it has four to six steps.
One rather simplistic example is:
1. Observe
2. Hypothesize
3. Prediction
4. Test the prediction

Science is a wheel that always goes back to
step one with new predictions and hypotheses.

Problem. Can you observe evolution in action?
Much as scientists would love to say yes; NO.

Can we observe the past, and what happened?
Again, NO. We may make certain inferences
about the past, but never with 100% certaintly.

Given the last statement, even if we could show
evolution on every scale today, there is no way to
prove it ever happened, or if it did, that it did so
in any particular way.

One major point of true science is falsiability. The
TOE today has morphed into a theory of everything.
In attempting to explain all, it can no longer be
falsified, because it changes to fit any anomoly.
Oort cloud, dark matter, dark energy, and most recent:
Iron, a magic bullet for saving the age of dinosaurs.

DNA killed evolution. Science can accept that. Those
who follow the religion of evolution never will.

This is so, so sad.

That the wealthiest and best-resourced nation in the history of the world is turning out people with such deplorable knowledge of the world says there is something chronically at fault with your education systems.

The only alternate explanation that I can fathom is that ignorance like yours is wilful, not imposed.

 

[Hoghead1]

My original reply mistook science for evolution science
in the post I responded to. I have no problem with real
science.

What is real science, and why can't evolution be it?
Glad you asked.

It also goes back to the much maligned scientific method.
Depending who is teaching, it has four to six steps.
One rather simplistic example is:
1. Observe
2. Hypothesize
3. Prediction
4. Test the prediction

Science is a wheel that always goes back to
step one with new predictions and hypotheses.

Problem. Can you observe evolution in action?
Much as scientists would love to say yes; NO.

Can we observe the past, and what happened?
Again, NO. We may make certain inferences
about the past, but never with 100% certaintly.

Given the last statement, even if we could show
evolution on every scale today, there is no way to
prove it ever happened, or if it did, that it did so
in any particular way.

One major point of true science is falsiability. The
TOE today has morphed into a theory of everything.
In attempting to explain all, it can no longer be
falsified, because it changes to fit any anomoly.
Oort cloud, dark matter, dark energy, and most recent:
Iron, a magic bullet for saving the age of dinosaurs.

DNA killed evolution. Science can accept that. Those
who follow the religion of evolution never will.

Those are all Aunt Fanny statements, meaning they apply to everyone's Aunt Fanny, to everyone's arguments, including yours. Also, evolution has been observed in the lab with bacteria, at least once. You have to remember that evolution is a very slow process and so it would be very difficult to sit and observe it, unless you could live for millions of years. However, since the early 50's, there has been a longitudinal study going on in Russia as to whether foxes can be turned into dogs. So far, the results are promising. The foxes are becoming tamer and tamer, a major dog characteristic. But it has taken a long time. Also, I find evolution can be observed daily. Every day, we deal with a different world. You can't put your foot in the same stream twice. No thinker thinks twice, either. Reality is in a continual state of flux.

 

[Hoghead1]

Evolution though, is one link of a very random
chain of circumstances in your theories. None
of which have any conscious purpose or design.
That would be so sad and empty, if it were true.

Many, however, including myself, dispute the notion that evolution has no direction or purpose.

 

[Robert Palase]

Many, however, including myself, dispute the notion that evolution has no direction or purpose.

What do you think is directing evolution? please try and stay within the realms of reality because evolution is based firmly in reality.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Oh, really? When did he ever release his discovery of his cure for smallpox?

I am glad you asked. Yes indeed the solution was Calvary when Jesus sacrificed Himself for our sake. By His stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:5
He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Evolution can be and has been observed in many different ways. You may not understand how it was observed but that does not mean that it is not observed.

You see the effect but the cause is still a mystery to you. At times even an enigma.

 

[SteveB28]

I am glad you asked. Yes indeed the solution was Calvary when Jesus sacrificed Himself for our sake. By His stripes we are healed.

Isaiah 53:5
He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.

Pardon?

Not a cure for smallpox that I can see. Try again.

 

[SteveB28]

You see the effect but the cause is still a mystery to you. At times even an enigma.

No, it's not a mystery, not at all. You do have to be prepared to understand though.

 

[AV1611VET]

Pardon?

Not a cure for smallpox that I can see. Try again.

Do you know the difference between "healed" and "cured"?

 

[joshua 1 9]

No, it's not a mystery, not at all. You do have to be prepared to understand though.

Yes you are correct it is no longer a mystery for those who are IN CHRIST. Everything that God made known to Moses 3500 years ago has now in this day and age been given to the gentiles. Even for another 1,000 years from people will still be learning what Moses knew 3500 years ago.

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Col1:27)

 

[joshua 1 9]

Do you know the difference between "healed" and "cured"?

Does cured mean to be pickled? If we have a part in the resurrection then the resurrection power of God is already at work in us to prepare us for that day and that time.

 

[AV1611VET]

If we have a part in the resurrection then the resurrection power of God is already at work in us to prepare us for that day and that time.

We call that progressive sanctification.

 

[SteveB28]

Yes you are correct it is no longer a mystery for those who are IN CHRIST. Everything that God made known to Moses 3500 years ago has now in this day and age been given to the gentiles. Even for another 1,000 years from people will still be learning what Moses knew 3500 years ago.

"To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory" (Col1:27)

Moses knew nothing about evolution. He probably didn't even exist.

 

[Hoghead1]

What do you think is directing evolution? please try and stay within the realms of reality because evolution is based firmly in reality.

I think that God is directing the process. I view evolution as the rise of the novel and unexpected. That means, evolution is the actualization of creative potentials. The creative potentials have to be somewhere. They cannot exist on their own, any more than imaginary ideas can exist without an imagination. Hence, I view God as the transcendental imagination that makes evolution possible.

 

[joshua 1 9]

And you insult your own God by claiming that the Bible is "God's word".

The Bible stands on it's own authority.

"For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." Hebrews 4:12

 

[joshua 1 9]

Noah.

 

[SteveB28]

The Bible stands on it's own authority.

"For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." Hebrews 4:12

A man wrote that, not a god.

 

[AV1611VET]

A man wrote that, not a god.

1 Thessalonians 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You see the effect but the cause is still a mystery to you. At times even an enigma.

No, we understand the cause quite well.