Longevity, Tooth Wear, and Genesis

[JackRT]

How long have false teeth been around ?

There is evidence that the Egyptians were creating primitive dentures in 1500 BC.

 

[4x4toy]

We have baby teeth sometime both sets at the same time .. I give God enough credit to replace baby teeth in relation to life span or what ever

 

[Chris B]

We have baby teeth sometime both sets at the same time .. I give God enough credit to replace baby teeth in relation to life span or what ever

Ah, a variation on the "tiger paint" argument.

 

[juvenissun]

SO, if people lived a lot longer for 500 to 1000 years after the Flood, shouldn't that be apparent by their teeth? Why has this not been observed?

Not at all. The tooth-age relationship should not work as it does today before the longevity stabilized at 120 years. Because the body might function in a dramatically different way. In other words, if we examine a tooth of Adam, it might just indicate 100 years rather than 900 years.

 

[lasthero]

If we have any pre-flood human bones, likely there is
no way to check the DNA in them.

And you say this based on what?

If, as I suspect, the
pre-flood men were giants, there is no way scientists
would acknowledge them, much less leave them for
study by the public.

Wait - you're saying ALL humans were giants before the flood?

Also, what about creationist scientists?

 

[Steve Petersen]

And you say this based on what?



Wait - you're saying ALL humans were giants before the flood?

Also, what about creationist scientists?

You see; they can just make stuff up and it satisfies their cognitive dissonance.

 

[Kenny'sID]

You see; they can just make stuff up and it satisfies their cognitive dissonance.

A lot like them making up the fact man evolved and was not created.

Satisfies their need to do away with God so they can do as they like and have no fear of punishment.

 

[Steve Petersen]

A lot like them making up the fact man evolved and was not created.

Satisfies their need to do away with God so they can do as they like and have no fear of punishment.

As has been REPEATEDLY said in this and other threads: you don't need to get rid of God to believe in evolution. You DO need to get rid of the restrictions YOU place on Him with regard to HOW he created the universe.

 

[lasthero]

A lot like them making up the fact man evolved and was not created.

Satisfies their need to do away with God so they can do as they like and have no fear of punishment.

Except there are plenty of people who believe God exists and accept evolution. Some of them are on this very forum. In fact, I think the person you're replying to is one such person.

 

[joshua 1 9]

OK, Biblical literalists insist that the lifespans of people shortly after the flood were significantly longer than today. From after the flood until the time of David, longevity in the Bible shows a decrease of age at death from 438 years (Arphaxad's time) to 70 years (David's time.) http://creation.com/temporal-changes-in-the-ageing-of-biblical-patriarchs

Now, anthropologists can use tooth wear as a method of determining someone's age at death to with about a 95% confidence level. http://var-and-evo.biol.uni.torun.pl/03_8.pdf

SO, if people lived a lot longer for 500 to 1000 years after the Flood, shouldn't that be apparent by their teeth? Why has this not been observed?

We are told there are three items in the Ark of the Covenant: "This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron's staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant." This represents the three areas where man was in rebellion against God. Man rejected God's provision, God's leadership, and His law. If we are not eating the food that God has provided for us to eat then you can expect that we will be having problems with out teeth.

In general though people have been grinding grains for at least 20,000 years. Archaeology presumes that the more natural grains tend to wear down the teeth and this is reason they grind the grains to make them softer or they will soak them in water and cook them to make them easier to eat and digest.

Tooth decay is from sugar and so decay is very recent in history. Before people started to eat sugar the teeth did not rot out the way they do now. Soon science will resolve this issue so the era we live in of tooth decay will actually be a very small part on the timeline of mankind.

In general teeth hold up very well. They are able to remove DNA from the teeth of people that are at least 10 or 12,000 years of age. Bryan Sykes claims to be the person to develop this. He talks about it in his book: "The Seven Daughters of Eve".

 

[ewq1938]

Not really. It is sugar that rots teeth, and the ancients did not have sugar. Their teeth may well have worn down, but they would not have decayed as modern teeth do.

Acid-producing bacteria within Tartar rots teeth and that comes naturally after eating food of any kind. Without proper brushing habits and tools, everyone will get tartar and tooth decay regardless of if they had sugar or not plus sugar is found naturally in many foods anyways. The whole sugar rots your teeth is an old wives tale to try to control the amount of sweets a child ate.

 

[Kenny'sID]

On who I was "replying" to, I get confused when some claim evolution over the bible as well as being Christian.

Either way, some do just as I mentioned, that is, try to get rid of God using evolution to do so, again adding to the confusion.. Fortunately I was careful not to name any names.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Except there are plenty of people who believe God exists and accept evolution. Some of them are on this very forum. In fact, I think the person you're replying to is one such person.

There does seem to be a distinction between theistic evolution and atheistic evolution. More then just the concept of micro and macro. This has more to do with determinism and God having a plan and a purpose for mankind.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Acid-producing bacteria within Tartar rots teeth and that comes naturally after eating food of any kind. Without proper brushing habits and tools, everyone will get tartar and tooth decay regardless of if they had sugar or not plus sugar is found naturally in many foods anyways. The whole sugar rots your teeth is an old wives tale to try to control the amount of sweets a child ate.

If you go back and look at the skulls of the societys or cultures that do not eat sugar they tend to still have all of their teeth.

 

[ewq1938]

If you go back and look at the skulls of the societys or cultures that do not eat sugar they tend to still have all of their teeth.

And as I said, sugar itself isn't the only substance that causes the acid that decays teeth.

 

[Kenny'sID]

As has been REPEATEDLY said in this and other threads: you don't need to get rid of God to believe in evolution.

Except there are plenty of people who believe God exists and accept evolution.

Then you Believe in God, just not his word?

 

[joshua 1 9]

And as I said, sugar itself isn't the only substance that causes the acid that decays teeth.

Are you suggesting a non diet related cause for tooth decay?

 

[lasthero]

Then you Believe in God, just not his word?

Wasn't talking about me.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Wasn't talking about me.

OK, thanks...and good.

 

[ewq1938]

Are you suggesting a non diet related cause for tooth decay?

No, I said sugar isn't the sole cause.