Porn on the internet

[Michie]

I need to read this. I'm curious.

I don't know if "kinks" is the right word, but maybe it is. Some areas are more likely to prefer specific races, some to prefer certain sexual-preferences more than their surrounding areas, etc. Its interested to see what red states and blue states are into, and it's interesting to see what Europe and the Middle East like.

 

[Mudinyeri]

So, what would you say to the millions of young, mostly Christian, men that have gotten caught up with this?

First, I would suggest that your characterization of pornography viewing by mostly Christian men is wrong. Second, I would suggest that nearly anyone who has access to a computer has, at least inadvertently, view pornographic material. Third, I would encourage anyone with whom I was discussing the issue to seek out what the Bible says about it while ignoring, at least for the moment, all the hyperbole they may have heard from people. I would gladly work along-side (and have done so) a young man, or group of young men, to help them develop their own Biblically-founded convictions on the subject. Once they have developed their own convictions, I would recommend an accountability group - especially if this was an area of great struggle in their walk.

 

[SnowyMacie]

I need to read this. I'm curious.

http://www.geekwire.com/2016/pornhub-most-searched-terms/

 

[dzheremi]

Where did I say porn was OK? What if I look at porn but don't lust?

Then you're just into it for the cinematography or the world-class acting, I guess? I don't know. Pornography that does not stir lust isn't doing its job, since that's what it exists to do.

That is an opinion until it is substantiated by fact.

I'm fine with that. Some things I'm not very interested in launching a fact-finding mission about. This is one of those things.

For the analogy to work, the child must have a level of rational thought that deserves explanation. We're not trying to explain why porn is negative to children under the age of one.

Porn as a thing doesn't really 'deserve' rationalization or explanation, though. Yes, it exists. Yes, people of all backgrounds use it or have used it. That doesn't make it okay. That makes it depressingly common.

 

[grandvizier1006]

First, I would suggest that your characterization of pornography viewing by mostly Christian men is wrong. Second, I would suggest that nearly anyone who has access to a computer has, at least inadvertently, view pornographic material. Third, I would encourage anyone with whom I was discussing the issue to seek out what the Bible says about it while ignoring, at least for the moment, all the hyperbole they may have heard from people. I would gladly work along-side (and have done so) a young man, or group of young men, to help them develop their own Biblically-founded convictions on the subject. Once they have developed their own convictions, I would recommend an accountability group - especially if this was an area of great struggle in their walk.

Well, what conclusions did you come to, then? Because for me my biggest beef with porn is the fact that I have wasted too much time with it. There are so many other things I could have done instead. Granted, my "porn" isn't really anything that qualifies as porn but I still dislike the obsessive desire I have to go find some.

And when I say mainly Christian men I'm talking about how men raised by Christian parents are sometimes not told enough about sex, so they end up being more curious than lax, non-Christian parents. Many non-Christians have this idea that porn is healthy if it's between two consenting adults. Like masturbating to someone else having sex on a screen is biologically natural. And it's especially grating to see that you won't value anybody's concerns with porn unless they are backed by scientific studies, which have a very different view of porn when compared to Christians.

 

[Mudinyeri]

Then you're just into it for the cinematography or the world-class acting, I guess? I don't know. Pornography that does not stir lust isn't doing its job, since that's what it exists to do.



I'm fine with that. Some things I'm not very interested in launching a fact-finding mission about. This is one of those things.



Porn as a thing doesn't really 'deserve' rationalization or explanation, though. Yes, it exists. Yes, people of all backgrounds use it or have used it. That doesn't make it okay. That makes it depressingly common.

I think we've found several areas of agreement. Your "world class acting" comment made me chuckle. Perhaps that's one of the reasons I find that most porn does not make me lust. For the most part, I don't even find it appealing.

And, I think it's fair that you, personally, don't want to go on a fact-finding mission. However, for someone who is truly seeking to learn about the potentially harmful aspects of porn, they may need those facts. They may need that fact-finding mission. Simply telling them, "Because I said so," doesn't meet their needs or help them deal with the issue. We are not homogeneous as a species. Each of us is unique and requires a unique approach when dealing with this, and any other, issue. So, it is not porn that deserves rationalization. It is the person potentially struggling with porn.

 

[Mudinyeri]

Well, what conclusions did you come to, then? Because for me my biggest beef with porn is the fact that I have wasted too much time with it. There are so many other things I could have done instead. Granted, my "porn" isn't really anything that qualifies as porn but I still dislike the obsessive desire I have to go find some.

And when I say mainly Christian men I'm talking about how men raised by Christian parents are sometimes not told enough about sex, so they end up being more curious than lax, non-Christian parents. Many non-Christians have this idea that porn is healthy if it's between two consenting adults. Like masturbating to someone else having sex on a screen is biologically natural. And it's especially grating to see that you won't value anybody's concerns with porn unless they are backed by scientific studies, which have a very different view of porn when compared to Christians.

Each individual that I've counseled has come to his own conclusion and his own way of dealing (or not) with porn. One thing I have noticed is those that struggle the most have either addictive or obsessive personalities. Porn is typically only one of a myriad of addictions/obsessions in these individuals.

I have never dismissed anyone's concerns about porn. What I am pushing back on are unsubstantiated blanket statements. As I said, above, we are all unique. For example, making a blanket statement that porn is addictive is not universally true.

I do see what you're saying about men raised by Christian parents. I would perhaps say it differently and use a term like Puritanical rather than Christian, but even that term lacks the necessary completeness to describe the environmental factors in a child's upbringing that can develop the potential for an addiction to porn ... or any other activity or substance.

 

[DerekJM]

Each individual that I've counseled has come to his own conclusion and his own way of dealing (or not) with porn. One thing I have noticed is those that struggle the most have either addictive or obsessive personalities. Porn is typically only one of a myriad of addictions/obsessions in these individuals.

I have never dismissed anyone's concerns about porn. What I am pushing back on are unsubstantiated blanket statements. As I said, above, we are all unique. For example, making a blanket statement that porn is addictive is not universally true.

I do see what you're saying about men raised by Christian parents. I would perhaps say it differently and use a term like Puritanical rather than Christian, but even that term lacks the necessary completeness to describe the environmental factors in a child's upbringing that can develop the potential for an addiction to porn ... or any other activity or substance.

I agree about it becoming addictive.
It certainly can affect young people in this way, esp males.
As a middle aged married man, it is not particularly interesting to watch now, but not going to lie and say I did not look at it back in the video age.
I also now have a late teen son, and he and most of his mates have watched it at some stage and have talked about it, but all I can say is that most will outgrow it as it is not a depiction of real life.

 

[GoodGRACEshus]

Really must get new glasses. In Oz, English migrants are affectionately known as Poms (ancient reference to prisoners of Mother England)....so it interested me to see a thread named "POM on the Internet"

 

[Rhamiel]

all this bickering back and forth distracts us from the great moral evil that is going on

we argue about semantics and statistics and anecdotal stories while millions of souls are lost due to pornography

 

[LivingWordUnity]

all this bickering back and forth distracts us from the great moral evil that is going on

we argue about semantics and statistics and anecdotal stories while millions of souls are lost due to pornography

The world, being deceived by the Devil, says that there's nothing wrong with porn.

But the Church, having the wisdom of God, knows that porn is evil and warns us to avoid it.

 

[Armoured]

Porn is based on lie. It describes a fantasy that cannot exist, and causes a painful disappointment to people when they realize that a sexual relationship is often less exciting than it seemed in porn movies. Living through others' artificial emotions or experiences never helped anyone.

Um... how is that different to any other sort of movie? Or popular entertainment generally?

 

[Rhamiel]

Um... how is that different to any other sort of movie? Or popular entertainment generally?

she addressed that already
porn effects different parts of the brain

watching a porn is not the same as watching the movie Blues Brothers
for like, dozens of reasons
one of which is the moral aspect

 

[Chris B]

What?! People have kinks according to the area they are in???

I didn't know whether to be pleased or annoyed than my kink turned out to be one of the five most popular.
It meant I wasn't *that* weird but, if you're going to have a kink, didn't it really ought to be something "other"?

 

[thehehe]

Um... how is that different to any other sort of movie? Or popular entertainment generally?

You're right on that point, somewhere a story (invented) is always a lie (telling things that cannot happen). After all, a good writer is an excellent liar, as he manages to keep our attention on a fictional idea. What I mainly dislike here is the intention of porn producters: to use the shame felt by the addict to porn in order to make money. And porn itself is not often edifying, or an answer to a kind of lack which often causes addiction (every type of addiction). We generally accept the lie of a book because we know it can lead to a better use of our brain. Not sure porn has the same goal.
Yes, I have a very idealistic and distorted view of the reasons leading people to read..

 

[Rhamiel]

yes and all addictions are bad

all distortion of reality are bad

we are not saying it is people to get unrealistic ideas from Action Movies, or Romance Novels
and these things do happen, and we have to be on guard against this

the glorification of war
the simplification of romantic relationships

bad bad bad
but fiction is set up in such a way that it is harder to have this happen
most people are able to tell the difference

porn is set up in a different way
more primal in a sense?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Just the fact that we have to try to convince people that porn is evil shows how far down the toilet the world has gone.

 

[Michie]

That is interesting. The lesbian action seems pretty common most everywhere because men are stupid about that sort of thing in their fantasies. But I would love to know what the other stuff is about and why.

http://www.geekwire.com/2016/pornhub-most-searched-terms/

 

[Rhamiel]

http://www.geekwire.com/2016/pornhub-most-searched-terms/

I am in Ohio
Ohio is weird
weird

 

[Michie]

I am in Ohio
Ohio is weird
weird

How weird is it?