Start of a New World War

[Hieronymus]

So why pile on terry's "it's always (insert "those people" - in this case, anti-semites)"?

i didn't pile.

 

[Rick Otto]

i didn't pile.

Whatever.
I like your posts anyway.
I'll just get over this somehow, lol.

 

[Hieronymus]

Whatever.
I like your posts anyway.
I'll just get over this somehow, lol.

I just agreed that it seems to be the Jews again rather often.
Jews being "the Jewish kabal" that apparently runs the world.

 

[stephen583]

But let's shift gears here. You claim your faith is "Christian". So, Christ commanded his followers to love and do good to their enemies. Christians are not to be overcome by evil but to overcome evil with good. If you believe Putin to be evil, then Christ has commanded you to overcome him by making him your friend.

Can you please show me where in all you have written about Putin you have demonstrated the love and good deeds towards one enemies that Christ commanded from his followers?

And let's please not forget about first taking the log out of our own eye before complaining of the spec in someone else's.

The Scripture doesn't say anything about "loving" the Antichrist, "forgiving" the Antichrist, or comparing ones own "faults" to those of the "Antichrist". The passages you refer to are being used (and rather clumsily IMO) completely, "out of context". That you would try to twist and distort Scripture using it against itself, is not really surprising at all, considering who you are supporting in this text. Those passages relate to how we are to treat other people as enemies, not how we are to treat demonically possessed monsters like the Antichrist, Vladimir Putin.

Even so, as certain as I am Vladimir Putin is the Antichrist, I wouldn't try to kill him even if I had the opportunity. I don't have to deal with Putin. God is going to take care of that.

 

[Rick Otto]

I just agreed that it seems to be the Jews again rather often.
Jews being "the Jewish kabal" that apparently runs the world.

Yeah, they get that from one family, the Rothschilds, being international bankers.
The fact they were Jewish was incidental to the agenda of world domination.

 

[Caretaker]

The Scripture doesn't say anything about "loving" the Antichrist, "forgiving" the Antichrist, or comparing ones own "faults" to those of the "Antichrist". The passages you refer to are being used (and rather clumsily IMO) completely, "out of context". That you would try to twist and distort Scripture using it against itself, is not really surprising at all, considering who you are supporting in this text. Those passages relate to how we are to treat other people as enemies, not how we are to treat demonically possessed monsters like the Antichrist, Vladimir Putin.

Even so, as certain as I am Vladimir Putin is the Antichrist, I wouldn't try to kill him even if I had the opportunity. I don't have to deal with Putin. God is going to take care of that.

You have no way of knowing the heart of another individual. None other than George Bush said, “I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country.”

There is another scripture that says, "Judge not" that leads up to the one I already quoted about removing the log from one's own eye before attempting to remove the spec in another's eye:

"Judge not, that ye be not judged.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

But you are attempting to incite a war in which millions of innocent people would be killed.

 

[Hieronymus]

Yeah, they get that from one family, the Rothschilds, being international bankers.

It's not just the Rothschilds.

 

[Rick Otto]

It's not just the Rothschilds.

Tell me more.

 

[stephen583]

None other than George Bush said, “I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to his country and the best interests of his country.”

Now you're using George Bush as a character reference for Vladimir Putin??? There's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Over a decade of war in Afghanistan and Iraq, no WMD's found, thousands of U.S. troops killed and maimed for nothing but the oil and minerals of other countries, the Constitutional rights of Americans and the rule of law trampled on, secret CIA prisons for terrorists suspects in Eastern European countries, illegal rendition of a Canadian citizen of Arab descent to Egypt for torture and imprisonment, water boarding and psychological torture at Guantanamo Bay Cuba, the murderer of innocent civilians ordered in drone attacks, the U.S. president who can't travel abroad because he might be arrested for international war crimes.. That George Bush ?! That is your character reference for Vladimir Putin ?! Now you've got me in stitches, Lol.

This isn't about some sort of debate about politics, morality, or theological differences in opinion. It's about the wholesale extermination of the human race. Satan doesn't care any more about Putin and resurrecting the Soviet empire than he cared about Hitler and the Thousand Year Rich.

It's all just a "means to an end", and that end is a full scale, global, thermo-nuclear holocaust. Satan considers the human race an infestation that has to be exterminated. Satan looks at you the same way you look at a cockroach, or a rat. A disease carrying filthy creature. Don't you get it ???

So let's be very clear on this point. Whenever you are making these absurd arguments supporting Vladimir Putin's dreams of empire, and Satan's plan for exterminating all human life on this planet; You are effectively signing your own "death warrant".

"And except those days should be shortened, there should NO FLESH BE SAVED".. (Matthew 24:22. KJV).

 

[Rick Otto]

Now you're using George Bush as a character reference for Vladimir Putin??? There's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Over a decade of war in Afghanistan and Iraq, no WMD's found, thousands of U.S. troops killed and maimed for nothing but the oil and minerals of other countries, the Constitutional rights of Americans and the rule of law trampled on, secret CIA prisons for terrorists suspects in Eastern European countries, illegal rendition of a Canadian citizen of Arab descent to Egypt for torture and imprisonment, water boarding and psychological torture at Guantanamo Bay Cuba, the murderer of innocent civilians ordered in drone attacks, the U.S. president who can't travel abroad because he might be arrested for international war crimes.. That George Bush ?! That's your character reference for Putin ?! Lol.

This isn't about some sort of debate about politics, morality, or theological differences in opinion. It's about the wholesale extermination of the human race. Satan doesn't care any more about Putin and resurrecting the Soviet empire than he cared about Hitler and the Thousand Year Rich. It's just a means to an end, and that end is a full scale, global, thermo-nuclear holocaust. Satan considers the human race an infestation that has to be exterminated. Don't you get it ?!

So let's be very clear on this point. When you are making absurd arguments supporting Vladimir Putin's dreams of empire, and Satan's plan for exterminating all human life on this planet; You are effectively signing your own "death warrant".

"And except those days should be shortened, there should NO FLESH BE SAVED".. (Matthew 24:22. KJV).

Well sir, to be honest, you are reframing the issue of topic into a larger context wherein we are all evil. For a person to operate at a global political level, a certain amount of theo, & philosophical baggage is the price of admission; like accepting that "America is great" for instance, in spite of its genocidal birth.
So your broader context would leave me to wonder how specific your idea(s) of how Satan interfaces with humanity in his pursuit of global government - persons, groups, institutions, etc.,
In that discussion, we can view Putin as just one of several devil's arguing over spoils.
Him being featured in the Panama Papers is suspicious that the cabal is using him as a countermeasure now that their oil and pharmaceutical empires are in existential crisis.

 

[Armoured]

 

[stephen583]

As reported today by the Associated Press, China has refused to allow the U.S. aircraft carrier "John C. Stennis" and its' accompanying ships to make a port of call in Hong Kong. The aircraft carrier battle group "Stennis" is stationed in the Philippines and would be responsible for keeping the international waters of the South China Sea open. This most recent rebuff by China is viewed as a sign of "worsening" U.S/China relations and tension over control of the South China Sea.

I guess this would be filed under the category of "rumors of wars", (Matthew 24:6) until the actual shooting starts.

 

[Caretaker]

So, China wants to control the South China Sea in the same way that the US wants to control the Caribean, the Atlantic, the Pacific, the Indian Ocean, the Artic Ocean , ....

Well! Imagine that!

 

[Rick Otto]

So, China wants to control the South China Sea in the same way that the US wants to control the Caribean, the Atlantic, the Pacific, the Indian Ocean, the Artic Ocean , ....

Well! Imagine that!

Yes, but they are evil and we are good.
Right?

 

[Rick Otto]

It's not just the Rothschilds.

Don't be shy, tell me more.

 

[stephen583]

So, China wants to control the South China Sea in the same way that the US wants to control the Caribean, the Atlantic, the Pacific, the Indian Ocean, the Artic Ocean , ....

Well! Imagine that!

I'm not making any moral distinction between U.S. and Chinese aggression for control of the high seas. The only point I am making is that this mutual "aggression" is escalating. The same can be said for the escalation of potentially dangerous encounters between Russian and U.S. air and naval forces in recent weeks. Russia also appears to be asserting its' control over the international waters of the Baltic and Black Seas. Russian ballistic missile submarines have also been spotted near Stockholm and in the Bay of Biscay near France, not to mention the Russian Typhoon sub that now sits off the coast of Syria in the Mediterranean Sea.

This kind of "aggressive" military posturing, is not unheard of as a "prelude" to all out conflict and war. Yes. The U.S. is absolutely bolstering it's forces against Russia, China and North Korea. Nuclear capable, F-22 fighter bombers have been forward deployed to both Europe and Asia in 2016. The U.S. is also deploying a high altitude missile defense system in South Korea, and we've also recently test launched a Minuteman missile to confirm the readiness of our ballistic missile forces.

All these things point to a very strong probability of an "impending" Third World War. The Japanese started fortifying Okinawa in 1938. Two years later, they were testing a new shallow running torpedo that could be used against ships in a port and secretly practicing for a carrier based air attack against Pearl Harbor . The rest, as they say, is history.

Given all the signs, I think that's about where we are now... Maybe two years away at most from a full scale Third World War. I believe it will be triggered when Hezbollah gets the green light to start bombarding Israel with thousands of modern Russian missiles it has stockpiled in Lebanon and Syria. The Middle East War will inevitably spill over into the Mediterranean, Black Sea and Baltic Seas. The Asian/Pacific war will come on the heels of the Mid-East/European conflict. The Chinese have a saying, "In much adversity, there is also much opportunity". All of China's highest military leaders (at our level of the Joint Chief's of Staff ) say war with the United States is inevitable. I believe it is highly probable we can expect history to repeat itself, and another Pearl Harbor like attack will occur in the Pacific during WWIII. This time it will come from China.

China formally challenged Japan's sovereignty over the Senkaku and Ryukyus islands in 2013. Japan is currently constructing a chain of missile defenses on 200 islands stretching from Kyushu to Taiwan. Okinawa is the largest island in the Ryukus' and hosts the bulk of U.S. ground, air and naval forces in Japan. Once U.S. forces in Okinawa have been eliminated, China will be able to attack U.S. bases in Guam and Hawaii and strike West Coast cities in the United States with their long range Xian H-6K bombers.

Since 2008, China has had a program to develop it's first Stealth bomber. It is unknown how many of these advanced Xian H-8 Stealth bombers the PLA Air Force currently has deployed. It would not need many however to launch a surprise nuclear attack against Okinawa and eliminate most of the U.S. forces in the South China Sea and Asia.

Are all these scenarios merely hypothetical ? Not really. To use a chess analogy, the game has already begun. The power piece sacrifice and uncovered strategy (the middle game) is about to begin. Then it's just a few more moves until it's checkmate, game over... global thermo-nuclear warfare and the extermination of all human life on this planet.

 

[Rick Otto]

I'm not making any moral distinction between U.S. and Chinese aggression for control of the high seas. The only point I am making is that this mutual "aggression" is escalating. The same can be said for the escalation of potentially dangerous encounters between Russian and U.S. air and naval forces in recent weeks. Russia also appears to be asserting its' control over the international waters of the Baltic and Black Seas. Russian ballistic missile submarines have also been spotted near Stockholm and in the Bay of Biscay near France, not to mention the Russian Typhoon sub that now sits off the coast of Syria in the Mediterranean Sea.

This kind of "aggressive" military posturing, is not unheard of as a "prelude" to all out conflict and war. Yes. The U.S. is absolutely bolstering it's forces against Russia, China and North Korea. Nuclear capable, F-22 fighter bombers have been forward deployed to both Europe and Asia in 2016. The U.S. is also deploying a high altitude missile defense system in South Korea, and we've also recently test launched a Minuteman missile to confirm the readiness of our ballistic missile forces.

All these things point to a very strong probability of an "impending" Third World War. The Japanese started fortifying Okinawa in 1938. Two years later, they were testing a new shallow running torpedo that could be used against ships in a port and secretly practicing for a carrier based air attack against Pearl Harbor . The rest, as they say, is history.

Given all the signs, I think that's about where we are now... Maybe two years away at most from a full scale Third World War. I believe it will be triggered when Hezbollah gets the green light to start bombarding Israel with thousands of modern Russian missiles it has stockpiled in Lebanon and Syria. The Middle East War will inevitably spill over into the Mediterranean, Black Sea and Baltic Seas. The Asian/Pacific war will come on the heels of the Mid-East/European conflict. The Chinese have a saying, "In much adversity, there is also much opportunity". All of China's highest military leaders (at our level of the Joint Chief's of Staff ) say war with the United States is inevitable. I believe it is highly probable we can expect history to repeat itself, and another Pearl Harbor like attack will occur in the Pacific during WWIII. This time it will come from China.

China formally challenged Japan's sovereignty over the Senkaku and Ryukyus islands in 2013. Japan is currently constructing a chain of missile defenses on 200 islands stretching from Kyushu to Taiwan. Okinawa is the largest island in the Ryukus' and hosts the bulk of U.S. ground, air and naval forces in Japan. Once U.S. forces in Okinawa have been eliminated, China will be able to attack U.S. bases in Guam and Hawaii and strike West Coast cities in the United States with their long range Xian H-6K bombers.

Since 2008, China has had a program to develop it's first Stealth bomber. It is unknown how many of these advanced Xian H-8 Stealth bombers the PLA Air Force currently has deployed. It would not need many however to launch a surprise nuclear attack against Okinawa and eliminate most of the U.S. forces in the South China Sea and Asia.

Are all these scenarios merely hypothetical ? Not really. To use a chess analogy, the game has already begun. The power piece sacrifice and uncovered strategy (the middle game) is about to begin. Then it's just a few more moves until it's checkmate, game over... global thermo-nuclear warfare and the extermination of all human life on this planet.

Ain't gonna happen.
I don't care how many generals say it is inevitable.

 

[stephen583]

Ain't gonna happen.

Lots of people said the same thing about Japan going to war with America in 1938, "Ain't gonna happen". That's why all our battleships were in Pearl Harbor like sitting ducks. No fuel for them. That's why American soldiers in the Philippines were training with sticks instead of rifles and riding on horses instead of tanks in 1940. War with Japan, "Ain't gonna happen". All of our generals at the time believed Japan did not have the military capability to wage war against America, and Japanese equipment (especially its' aircraft and navy) would soon become outdated. The Japanese were still bogged down tying up hundreds of thousands of troops trying to complete their conquest of China, making a war with America seem all the more unlikely. So don't worry, it "ain't gonna happen". Did any of that stop Japan from attacking Pearl Harbor ?!..

"Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it". The reason that quote is called a "Truism", is because it is true. China never has renounced the communist doctrine of defeating capitalism through "war". Why not ?! Good question. Why haven't they ? Underestimating the resolve and aggression of the Chinese, is like setting down your pick nick blanket next to a red ant bed and saying, "Don't worry about the red ants, they aren't gonna bother us, It ain't gonna happen. Lol. In October 1950 that's exactly what did happen when China entered the Korean War against the United States. What was that you said about war between the United States and China is never gonna happen. I got news for you buddy, it already did happen.. It was called the Korean War. Which by the way, ended in a "cease fire-armistice", not a "peace agreement", so realistically speaking, North and South Korea are still at war.


So please, before you claim that was a war between U.N. forces and China, check your facts and be aware the United States supplied 88% of the fighting forces in the Korean War, and if you claim the U.S. wasn't fighting against the Chinese in the Korean War, explain that to the almost 2 million American servicemen who fought in Korea and to the headstones in Arlington Cemetery of the 33 thousand U.S. soldiers who died there. Not to mention the hundreds of U.S. POW and MIA cases, where North Korea is known to have kept imprisoned soldiers after the 1953 armistice, (this according to a U.N. Human Rights Report).

Tens of thousands of South Korean soldiers were also captured by the North, and never accounted for. South Korea estimates 560 South Korean soldiers still live in captivity in the North. As of 2008, seventy-nine South Korean POW's have escaped from North Korea and "returned" to the South, giving these South Korean estimates a high degree of credibility.

It may not entirely be up to the Chinese whether, or not, or even when, war with the United States breaks out again. It was North Korea invading South Korea in June 1950, that drew the United States and China into a military confrontation. So the next U.S/China military confrontation could well be decided by the most unstable world leader in history, the insane and megalomaniac dictator of North Korea, Kim Jong Un. What does that do to the odds of the U.S. and China going to war ?!.. Well it ain't good. And it's probably very naïve to say, "It ain't gonna happen".

 

[Rick Otto]

Lots of people said the same thing about Japan going to war with America in 1938, "Ain't gonna happen". That's why all our battleships were in Pearl Harbor like sitting ducks. No fuel for them. That's why American soldiers in the Philippines were training with sticks instead of rifles and riding on horses instead of tanks in 1940. War with Japan, "Ain't gonna happen". All of our generals at the time believed Japan did not have the military capability to wage war against America, and Japanese equipment (especially its' aircraft and navy) would soon become outdated. The Japanese were still bogged down tying up hundreds of thousands of troops trying to complete their conquest of China, making a war with America seem all the more unlikely. So don't worry, it "ain't gonna happen". Did any of that stop Japan from attacking Pearl Harbor ?!..

"Those who do not learn from history, are doomed to repeat it". The reason that quote is called a "Truism", is because it is true. China never has renounced the communist doctrine of defeating capitalism through "war". Why not ?! Good question. Why haven't they ? Underestimating the resolve and aggression of the Chinese, is like setting down your pick nick blanket next to a red ant bed and saying, "Don't worry about the red ants, they aren't gonna bother us, It ain't gonna happen. Lol. In October 1950 that's exactly what did happen when China entered the Korean War against the United States. What was that you said about war between the United States and China is never gonna happen. I got news for you buddy, it already did happen.. It was called the Korean War. Which by the way, ended in a "cease fire-armistice", not a "peace agreement", so realistically speaking, North and South Korea are still at war.


So please, before you claim that was a war between U.N. forces and China, check your facts and be aware the United States supplied 88% of the fighting forces in the Korean War, and if you claim the U.S. wasn't fighting against the Chinese in the Korean War, explain that to the almost 2 million American servicemen who fought in Korea and to the headstones in Arlington Cemetery of the 33 thousand U.S. soldiers who died there. Not to mention the hundreds of U.S. POW and MIA cases, where North Korea is known to have kept imprisoned soldiers after the 1953 armistice, (this according to a U.N. Human Rights Report).

Tens of thousands of South Korean soldiers were also captured by the North, and never accounted for. South Korea estimates 560 South Korean soldiers still live in captivity in the North. As of 2008, seventy-nine South Korean POW's have escaped from North Korea and "returned" to the South, giving these South Korean estimates a high degree of credibility.

It may not entirely be up to the Chinese whether, or not, or even when, war with the United States breaks out again. It was North Korea invading South Korea in June 1950, that drew the United States and China into a military confrontation. So the next U.S/China military confrontation could well be decided by the most unstable world leader in history, the insane and megalomaniac dictator of North Korea, Kim Jong Un. What does that do to the odds of the U.S. and China going to war ?!.. Well it ain't good. And it's probably very naïve to say, "It ain't gonna happen".

Fine.
Did you see my original post where I said it's already on?

 

[stephen583]

[QUOTE="Rick Otto, post: 69587768, member: 5317"onfront] Fine.
Did you see my original post where I said it's already on?[/QUOTE]


So you're talking jibberish just in order to be confrontational, is that it ??? Stating in one post America and China are already at war, and later in another post you state "It ain't never gonna happen" ?! I wonder if you are not being deliberately obtuse, (that means "stupid"), merely for the sake of creating an argument irrespective of it's merit.