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What is the greatest evidence against the theory of evolution...?

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So there is no reason, in whatever point of view, to spend huge energy to evolve the intelligence.
No, it has an immense advantage, animals just can't choose to have the mutations necessary to develop it. -_- if it wasn't an advantage, the more intelligent of our ape ancestors would not have had the reproductive success. It just so happens that intelligence is by no means some perfect trait without any drawbacks. One of those drawbacks now is competing with us... which is why you don't see a bunch of bipedal ape species around besides us.

By the way, how much energy is needed to increase 1% of intelligence?
-_- this is a silly question. After all, that would depend on how intelligent the animal was to begin with, and if it would actually need to increase brain size or energy expenditure in order to become such a fraction more intelligent. Humans with an IQ of 160 and humans with an IQ of 100 have practically the same dietary needs, so I don't understand why you think a measly 1% would do much. Basically, you asked a question that has too many answers so as to be meaningless thanks to how broad it is, and how variable the answers even applying to the same species would be.
 
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Exactly. No animals can raise a fire and cook.
That is why I said that human intelligence is absolutely not an evolved product.
Fire is an invention. Animals can invent. Do you think that just because humans haven't developed an effective vaccine for leishmaniasis that this means we are incapable of ever doing it? Soon you'll be telling me humans can't have evolved because we made cars, and nothing else made cars. No, the reason nothing else made cars is because we killed off all the competing intelligent species thousands of years ago, leaving us as the only species remaining that would have the capacity to do it.

Being the most intelligent species doesn't make us evolutionarily impossible. Here's a thought: ever consider the idea that chimpanzees and many other apes would eventually figure out how to light fires, and that it would just take their species much longer to do it?
 
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No, it has an immense advantage, animals just can't choose to have the mutations necessary to develop it.

Human obviously "choose" to develop this huge difference in intelligence. This is odd and has never happened and is highly likely not a choice.
 
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-_- this is a silly question. After all, that would depend on how intelligent the animal was to begin with, and if it would actually need to increase brain size or energy expenditure in order to become such a fraction more intelligent.

Very true. The argument of relationship between brain size and intelligence can not be applied to human.
 
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Human obviously "choose" to develop this huge difference in intelligence. This is odd and has never happened and is highly likely not a choice.

No, we didn't. Ancient humans had no choice in the mutation for higher intelligence. It developed because our bodies and our diet allowed it to develop.
 
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Also, you don't know how to properly capitalize and punctuate, either. Anyhow, I never said you did know French. I read Descartes in French, so I am responsible for the "je pense, donc je suis." Anyhow, so what? Either you or someone else first brought up Descartes and I was simply responding to that. I am also aware we have gotten off topic here.

that dictum("i think, therefore i am/exist") was said and used many times long before descartes

Blessings
 
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No, we didn't. Ancient humans had no choice in the mutation for higher intelligence. It developed because our bodies and our diet allowed it to develop.

Ancient humans were already super smart when compared with their "common ancestor".
Ancient human was not evolved.
 
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Ancient humans were already super smart when compared with their "common ancestor".
Ancient human was not evolved.

Yeah, here's the thing: you keep saying that. But you have ZERO evidence for that claim.
So your claim? It goes in to the bin.
 
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Yes, I don't know. But I know. Exactly.
That is not evolutional at all.
Now that you've phrased it so bluntly, can you finally see the construction in your idea?
 
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Yeah, here's the thing: you keep saying that. But you have ZERO evidence for that claim.
Who initially built an aerodynamically structured device for sport and hunting?

One that, if it missed its target, would return to the thrower?

Aboriginals or scientists?
 
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Who initially built an aerodynamically structured device for sport and hunting?

One that, if it missed its target, would return to the thrower?

Aboriginals or scientists?

Completely irrelevant, and also the question was not addressed to you.
But to answer your question: the Aborigines, via trial and error.
 
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that dictum("i think, therefore i am/exist") was said and used many times long before descartes

Blessings
No,no. Totally incorrect. Where on earth did you get hat idea? Also, this whole discussion is way, way off topic.
 
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Very true. The argument of relationship between brain size and intelligence can not be applied to human.
Or any other species. Whales have far larger brains than we do. But, brain size does help with potential to have intelligence.
 
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Human obviously "choose" to develop this huge difference in intelligence. This is odd and has never happened and is highly likely not a choice.
No, we didn't choose to develop intelligence at all.
 
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Or any other species. Whales have far larger brains than we do. But, brain size does help with potential to have intelligence.

Brain size helps. But it is not the reason for the quality of human intelligence.
 
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Completely agree. Human intelligence can not be evolved and can only be created.
*rolls eyes* you know that is not what I meant. Evolution is never a choice. Not by the creature evolving. We, as humans, have directly altered the evolutionary path of many species intentionally through artificial selection, but the very few and scattered attempts at applying this to our own species have never gone on long enough to do anything.
 
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