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Amen to the Amenth power

Agreed!
and...

Psalm 33:8-9:
Let all the earth fear the Lord;
let all the people of the world revere him.
For he spoke, and it came to be;
he commanded, and it stood firm.


Hebrews 11:3:
By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
 
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Nor do you have to understand how an internal combustion engine works to be able to drive to the store to get a gallon of milk.

However, just because we may not understand how something works, does not mean that they are forever more, unknowable. That is one of the biggest things that cause knowledge to advance, the attempt to understand the unknown.

Some YECs seem to believe that since we don't understand something right now means we will never understand it.
Idk much about YEC's or OEC's. After coming out of a cult, I'm still feeling my way around Christianity. But I do remember what it was like to be told "thus and so"... isn't always God's truth. God Himself says He is unknowable to us (yet not irrational or illogical). Maybe for now, maybe forever. All I can confidently say is, God can do anything. ANYTHING! You who have become Christians and only Christians have no idea how hard that is to grasp when you haven't encountered the reality of it--or the joy within in it!--before. It's so humbling! God can create something old, and turn around and create something new--at the very same time. Must we have to understand the process to trust Him with the details, just as you said about the car? Who are we to tell Him and each other that He surely cannot do so? It bothers me when I see people attempting exactly that. ""Thus and so" is truth, and nobody else's viewpoint has any validity." Red flag warning that somewhere, somehow, someday, those who pronounce such things, come dollars to donuts, will insist you believe their way because its the "only" truth. I get the gist that Bob here thinks because I don't see things quite his way, I don't believe God. Really? Well, Bob, God in a black and white box is a poor gift designed solely for and by the spiritually frightened.

Like Job, I want to know God more, rather than gather facts 'about' Him to (assume I) stand upon my own pet theories.

(Just learned that this is called the "doctrine of incomprehensibility"? An interesting bible study.)
 
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So, in another thread, there's an off-topic discussion and I'd like to move it here.

It saddens me how many Christians think so highly of Man and his science that they think that we know better than God. Some people seek to allegorize Genesis 1 and Genesis 2, and say that God was speaking figuratively and that He didn't really mean what He said in Genesis.

Okay, fine.

But you wanna tell me why God, in Exodus 20:9-11 would tell Moses straight upfront that He created the Earth and everything on it in 6 days?

Here's the text for reference (KJV):



God straight up says "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day".

God said this, to Moses, directly. He wasn't using allegory, He wasn't playing around, He said "Since I worked 6 days and rested the 7th, you're going to work 6 days and rest on the 7th also." (paraphrased).

So.... you either believe God or you don't.

If you're going to say that God created Life on Earth over millions of years, then that forces you to call Him a liar in Exodus 20:11. If you're going to say that God was telling the truth, that means Man is a liar.

I leave you with Paul's opinion on that:

Romans 3:4: God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

I believe God when He says He created the earth and everything in it in 6 days. As finite creatures though, I don't think we have a clue what a day means to an infinite God. It does say in 2 Peter 3:8-9 that "With the Lord a day is like
[or as] a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day," but that has been taken out of context to say literally that the earth is about 6000 years old, when it has nothing to do with the days of creation. Also, the scripture is clear to say "like" or "as" rather than a literal is a thousand years. Whatever it is, God knows.
 
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That is a wrong assumption, It has been heard, I've seen/considered it, and thus far, have seen nothing that convinces me evolution is a fact.

No evidence will ever suffice, you are conditioned against any fair evaluation. It is a well known phenomenon, you are not the only one.
 
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I don't reject the Scriptures. I reject any interpretation of the Scriptures that conflict with the evidence God left behind.
Someone tells you that a rock is billions of years old an you think that's God's evidence; overriding His word? Riiiiight.
 
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Yes, but whether or not you are convinced is no measure of how valid it is. It sure is funny that you, as a lay person, go one way and the scientists another. Could it be, do you think, that they know something you don't? Nah. You're probably right. What do all these scientists know anyway? Why, heck, the average Joe can see right through them. Don't even need to crack a book.

Sure it is, it is absolutely a measure of how valid it is to me. and being a smart *** about it won't change that one iota. Generally only those who are insecure in their beliefs have to stoop to those levels..

Seriously? do you honestly think I'm going to drop it all and go with scientists because you/they claim they are smart and I'm not? Most, if not all that stuff is easily understood by the layperson once explained. And once explained one can make their own decision if they feel it's BS or not, so playing the "so you think you are so smart" card doesn't do a thing here accept give you some dud ammunition to throw around.

Scientists are people, I and the general population are people just like the scientist. Of course they know more than most about what they study, who doesn't? It doesn't takes a genus to become a scientists. What one person can understand, another person can understand.

Yes, but whether or not you are convinced is no measure of how valid it is


Whether or not you are convinced of Gods way or if there even is a God, is no measure of how valid he, his creation, and how it came about is.

Gods way CAN be way too complicated so maybe that is your problem, you cannot understand how he does what he does or maybe how he even is to begin with so you go with something else. And just as you accuse me of...are you smarter than God?.
 
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Is God so lacking in authority in your eyes and mind, that you would believe that men's knowledge can supersede His?
Keep digging, you are almost home!
That's exactly what they think. When the theories of man conflict with the clear verbiage of the Scriptures, they disregard the Scriptures.
 
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No evidence will ever suffice, you are conditioned against any fair evaluation. It is a well known phenomenon, you are not the only one.

There you go assuming again. Who are you to say I don't give it fair evaluation?

Besides, I could make the exact same comments to you. Would you tell me you do make fair evaluation or are you one of the conditioned?
 
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I believe God when He says He created the earth and everything in it in 6 days. As finite creatures though, I don't think we have a clue what a day means to an infinite God. It does say in 2 Peter 3:8-9 that "With the Lord a day is like
[or as] a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day," but that has been taken out of context to say literally that the earth is about 6000 years old, when it has nothing to do with the days of creation. Also, the scripture is clear to say "like" or "as" rather than a literal is a thousand years. Whatever it is, God knows.

You seem to miss though that God defines this day in Genesis 1...
Genesis 1:5:
And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

In II Peter God says a day is like
(The earth then is about 6,000 years, but we need not know its age to be saved and evolution is a man-made farse.)
 
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Yes, but whether or not you are convinced is no measure of how valid it is. It sure is funny that you, as a lay person, go one way and the scientists another. Could it be, do you think, that they know something you don't? Nah. You're probably right. What do all these scientists know anyway? Why, heck, the average Joe can see right through them. Don't even need to crack a book.

Hoghead1, just what do these passages mean to you?:

I Corinthians 1:18-21:
18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”
20 Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.


I'd say don't look to scientists for wisdom where they contradict the Word.
Scripture goes on to say...

I Corinthians 3:18-20:
18 Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”; 20 and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."

These passages are a safeguard to us in that they reaffirm God (thus God's Word) is greater than scientists who contradict the Word or say elsewise.

 
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We still don't know how long that day actually is in God's time.

I do...

Psalm 33:8-9:
Let all the earth fear the Lord;
let all the people of the world revere him.
For he spoke, and it came to be;
he commanded, and it stood firm.


that day was one of our days.
 
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Except maybe that part where Moses allowed men to put away their wives for any reason because of the hardness of their hearts, when from the beginning it was not so.

Everything is intended in the bible but not everything is instructive.
 
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You are in fact following a man-made religious ideology, that constructed by religious fundamentalists, the Bible Belt. I think your major problem here is you fail to realize that, fail to appreciate the fact your ideology is just one small part of Christianity.

"I think" ... you judge me, when you don't even know me, very shallow of you; but don't waste your breathe/life, I don't ask another for my opinion, nor do I seek to find my opinion in another.

A pit is a pit, which my dad would say is relative to all things.
 
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Genesis provides two contradictory chronologies. Just in case they may be helpful to you, have included my remarks, below.





When we approach the study of Scripture, I think we should be willing to step outside the small box of narration presented within the narrow confines of fundamentalist thinking about the Bible. In so doing, we must cast aside the preexisting bias that everything in Scripture has to be true, that everything happened just the way the Bible says it happened. We should approach Scripture, with an open mind. Maybe it is all dictated by God and inerrant , maybe it isn't. Let us see.



Bearing the above in mind, let us proceed on to the Genesis account of creation. It is readily apparent that it stands in stark contradiction to modern scientific accounts. If we stay within the confines of the fundamentalist box, science is clearly a thing of the Devil, and that's the end of it. But is it? Perhaps there are other possibilities. Let us also explore those. For centuries, solid Bible-believing Christians have had no problem in recognizing the Bible is not an accurate geophysical witness. After all, who believes that the earth is really flat, that everything revolves around the earth, etc.? So I don't see why Genesis should be any exception. Bur wait a sec. Just how did traditional Christianity manage to step out of the fundamentalist box here? Here it is important to consider the writings of the Protestant Reformers, who lived right on the scene, right at the time when science was beginning to serious question the flat earth, etc. Let's take a peak at Calvin, for example. He followed what is called the doctrine of accommodations. Accordingly, our minds are so puny that God often has to talk “baby talk” (Calvin's term) to us, to accommodate his message to our infirmities. He wrote a major commentary on Genesis, and, in his remarks on Gen. 1:6, he emphasized that God is here to accommodate to our weaknesses and therefore, most emphatically, is not here to teach us actual astronomy.



Now, about the to contradictory accounts. It is my position that we must step outside the fundamentalist box and come to the text open-minded. It is my position that there are two contradictory accounts. It is my position we must resist all the fiendish effects created within the narrow confines of the fundamentalist box to unduly smash them together and bludgeon them into one account. The best way to approach a text is to go on the plain reading. Hence, in Gen . 1, first animals are created, the man and woman together. In Gen. 2, first man, then animals, then woman. What may or may not be apparent in English translations is that there are two very different literary styles here. Gen. 1, fr example, is sing-songy, very sing-songy. Hence, Haydn wrote a major work titled

“The Creation,” based solely on Gen. 1. Gen,. 2 is narrative and not very singable. If you study the Hebrew here in more detail, we are also dealing with to different authors coming from two different time periods.



Let's turn to the stated content of the chronologies. As I said, a plain reading shows an obvious contradiction here. And as I said, many a fiendish attempt has been made within the fundamentalist box to smash these together. That is a favorite tactic of mode than one online self-styled apologists and also certain members in this group, no personal insult intended. So let us now go down through a list of the major devious attempts to smash the texts together and why they don't work.



There is the pluperfect theory. Accordingly, all apparent contradictions can be easily explained simply by recognizing that everything in Gen. 2 should be translated in the pluperfect tense, thereby referring right back to one. So the line should read,...So God HAD created the animals,,,” So the problem is simply generated in the reader's mind simply because the English Bible has been mistranslated here. To a lay person, this might look impressive. However, if you know anything at all about Hebrew, this solution immediately falls on its face. There is no, repeat no, pluperfect tense in Hebrew.



There is the two-creation theory. Accordingly, Gen. 1 and 2 refer to two different creations. Gen. 1 describes the total overall creation of the universe. Gen. 2 is purely concerned with what happened in the garden of Eden, with events that happened after the total overall creation. Looks promising. However, what is snot shown or addressed in the fundamentalist box is the fact fact this theory generates treffic problems in accounting for all the personnel involved and, in so doing g, has led to ridiculous results. A good example is the Lilith theory that was widespread among Medieval Christians and Jews. The problem was this: If we are fusing these accounts together, then there is a woman created in Gen. 1, and at the same time as Adam, who is not named, and who obviously exists in addition to Eve. Who is she? Her name is Lilith and she is Adam's first wife. She was domineering and liked riding on top of Adam when they had sex. Adam didn't like this and neither did God, as women are to be submissive. So God gave Adam a second wife, Eve, who at least stayed underneath during sex. Lilith then got mad, ran away, became a witch, and goes around terrorizing children, so that it was common to find a crib with “God save up from Lilith” written on it. Now, unless you believe in the existence of preAdamites, and the fundamentalist box does not and most Christians do not either, then this whole situation is absolutely ridiculous.



There is the latent-chronology theory. Accordingly, the account is written by one author, never mind the literary differences. What he takes as the real chronology is that which is presented in Gen. 1. However, when he gets to Gen. 2, he for some reason, does not work through or explicate that chronology in its true order. Well, by that same token, why not assume his rue chronology is gen. 1 and that Gen. I is just his idea of explicating it out of order, for some reason? See, that strategy backfires. In addition, one wonders why an author would set up his chronology on one page and then on the next explicate it out of order. That sure is an awkward, messy way of explaining yourself.



Now if any of you readers have in mind a better solution, I and other biblical scholars would like to hear it.



Another problem with the Genesis account is that it does not make it clear how God creates. Some will say it definitely means creatio ex nihilo. But God created Adam out of dust, not out of nothing. God created Eve out of Adam's rib, not out of nothing. God creates the adult out of the child, not our of nothing. The opening of the Genesis account is ambiguous here. Maybe god creates out of nothing, but maybe out of some preexistence chaos.

The contradiction comes from the culture, syntax and literary flow of misunderstanding.

Genesis 1 - 2:3 is a summary of His entire creation - including us. You can see this contextually by Genesis 2:1 - where it is declared God's work was COMPLETED. Adam and Eve were created in these days.

Genesis 2:4 to the end of the world is the our entire, full story from the instant He made us, to the end of the world and judgment.

"These are the [account of the] generations..."

In other words, Genesis 2:4 on gives the future account of humans on earth. There is no 6th day human creation and 8th day Ademic creation.

If you have seen a Star Wars movie, before the movie starts you get a rolling page about what has happened already - a full summary of the context and situation. It is meant to bring you up to speed. THEN, the movie begins. The rolling summary screen is Gen 1 - Gen 2:3; the movie is Gen 2:4 - end.


As I have said before, the apocrypha (and even other texts and books) explain many of these holes and contradictions in great detail. But, you don't need them; it is right in the canon.
 
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The contradiction comes from the culture, syntax and literary flow of misunderstanding.

Genesis 1 - 2:3 is a summary of His entire creation - including us. You can see this contextually by Genesis 2:1 - where it is declared God's work was COMPLETED. Adam and Eve were created in these days.

Genesis 2:4 to the end of the world is the our entire, full story from the instant He made us, to the end of the world and judgment.

"These are the [account of the] generations..."

In other words, Genesis 2:4 on gives the future account of humans on earth. There is no 6th day human creation and 8th day Ademic creation.

If you have seen a Star Wars movie, before the movie starts you get a rolling page about what has happened already - a full summary of the context and situation. It is meant to bring you up to speed. THEN, the movie begins. The rolling summary screen is Gen 1 - Gen 2:3; the movie is Gen 2:4 - end.


As I have said before, the apocrypha (and even other texts and books) explain many of these holes and contradictions in great detail. But, you don't need them; it is right in the canon.
Baloney, I say. I have already published at least four times my position on the contradictions in Genesis. Apparently, you didn't bother to take the time to read them. I feel it is my duty to do so again, just in case.






When we approach the study of Scripture, I think we should be willing to step outside the small box of narration presented within the narrow confines of fundamentalist thinking about the Bible. In so doing, we must cast aside the preexisting bias that everything in Scripture has to be true, that everything happened just the way the Bible says it happened. We should approach Scripture, with an open mind. Maybe it is all dictated by God and inerrant , maybe it isn't. Let us see.



Bearing the above in mind, let us proceed on to the Genesis account of creation. It is readily apparent that it stands in stark contradiction to modern scientific accounts. If we stay within the confines of the fundamentalist box, science is clearly a thing of the Devil, and that's the end of it. But is it? Perhaps there are other possibilities. Let us also explore those. For centuries, solid Bible-believing Christians have had no problem in recognizing the Bible is not an accurate geophysical witness. After all, who believes that the earth is really flat, that everything revolves around the earth, etc.? So I don't see why Genesis should be any exception. Bur wait a sec. Just how did traditional Christianity manage to step out of the fundamentalist box here? Here it is important to consider the writings of the Protestant Reformers, who lived right on the scene, right at the time when science was beginning to serious question the flat earth, etc. Let's take a peak at Calvin, for example. He followed what is called the doctrine of accommodations. Accordingly, our minds are so puny that God often has to talk “baby talk” (Calvin's term) to us, to accommodate his message to our infirmities. He wrote a major commentary on Genesis, and, in his remarks on Gen. 1:6, he emphasized that God is here to accommodate to our weaknesses and therefore, most emphatically, is not here to teach us actual astronomy.



Now, about the to contradictory accounts. It is my position that we must step outside the fundamentalist box and come to the text open-minded. It is my position that there are two contradictory accounts. It is my position we must resist all the fiendish effects created within the narrow confines of the fundamentalist box to unduly smash them together and bludgeon them into one account. The best way to approach a text is to go on the plain reading. Hence, in Gen . 1, first animals are created, the man and woman together. In Gen. 2, first man, then animals, then woman. What may or may not be apparent in English translations is that there are two very different literary styles here. Gen. 1, fr example, is sing-songy, very sing-songy. Hence, Haydn wrote a major work titled

“The Creation,” based solely on Gen. 1. Gen,. 2 is narrative and not very singable. If you study the Hebrew here in more detail, we are also dealing with to different authors coming from two different time periods.



Let's turn to the stated content of the chronologies. As I said, a plain reading shows an obvious contradiction here. And as I said, many a fiendish attempt has been made within the fundamentalist box to smash these together. That is a favorite tactic of mode than one online self-styled apologists and also certain members in this group, no personal insult intended. So let us now go down through a list of the major devious attempts to smash the texts together and why they don't work.



There is the pluperfect theory. Accordingly, all apparent contradictions can be easily explained simply by recognizing that everything in Gen. 2 should be translated in the pluperfect tense, thereby referring right back to one. So the line should read,...So God HAD created the animals,,,” So the problem is simply generated in the reader's mind simply because the English Bible has been mistranslated here. To a lay person, this might look impressive. However, if you know anything at all about Hebrew, this solution immediately falls on its face. There is no, repeat no, pluperfect tense in Hebrew.



There is the two-creation theory. Accordingly, Gen. 1 and 2 refer to two different creations. Gen. 1 describes the total overall creation of the universe. Gen. 2 is purely concerned with what happened in the garden of Eden, with events that happened after the total overall creation. Looks promising. However, what is snot shown or addressed in the fundamentalist box is the fact fact this theory generates treffic problems in accounting for all the personnel involved and, in so doing g, has led to ridiculous results. A good example is the Lilith theory that was widespread among Medieval Christians and Jews. The problem was this: If we are fusing these accounts together, then there is a woman created in Gen. 1, and at the same time as Adam, who is not named, and who obviously exists in addition to Eve. Who is she? Her name is Lilith and she is Adam's first wife. She was domineering and liked riding on top of Adam when they had sex. Adam didn't like this and neither did God, as women are to be submissive. So God gave Adam a second wife, Eve, who at least stayed underneath during sex. Lilith then got mad, ran away, became a witch, and goes around terrorizing children, so that it was common to find a crib with “God save up from Lilith” written on it. Now, unless you believe in the existence of preAdamites, and the fundamentalist box does not and most Christians do not either, then this whole situation is absolutely ridiculous.



There is the latent-chronology theory. Accordingly, the account is written by one author, never mind the literary differences. What he takes as the real chronology is that which is presented in Gen. 1. However, when he gets to Gen. 2, he for some reason, does not work through or explicate that chronology in its true order. Well, by that same token, why not assume his rue chronology is gen. 1 and that Gen. I is just his idea of explicating it out of order, for some reason? See, that strategy backfires. In addition, one wonders why an author would set up his chronology on one page and then on the next explicate it out of order. That sure is an awkward, messy way of explaining yourself.



Now if any of you readers have in mind a better solution, I and other biblical scholars would like to hear it.



Another problem with the Genesis account is that it does not make it clear how God creates. Some will say it definitely means creatio ex nihilo. But God created Adam out of dust, not out of nothing. God created Eve out of Adam's rib, not out of nothing. God creates the adult out of the child, not our of nothing. The opening of the Genesis account is ambiguous here. Maybe god creates out of nothing, but maybe out of some preexistence chaos.
 
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Baloney, I say. I have already published at least four times my position on the contradictions in Genesis. Apparently, you didn't bother to take the time to read them. I feel it is my duty to do so again, just in case.




When we approach the study of Scripture, I think we should be willing to step outside the small box of narration presented within the narrow confines of fundamentalist thinking about the Bible. In so doing, we must cast aside the preexisting bias that everything in Scripture has to be true, that everything happened just the way the Bible says it happened. We should approach Scripture, with an open mind. Maybe it is all dictated by God and inerrant , maybe it isn't. Let us see.



Bearing the above in mind, let us proceed on to the Genesis account of creation. It is readily apparent that it stands in stark contradiction to modern scientific accounts. If we stay within the confines of the fundamentalist box, science is clearly a thing of the Devil, and that's the end of it. But is it? Perhaps there are other possibilities. Let us also explore those. For centuries, solid Bible-believing Christians have had no problem in recognizing the Bible is not an accurate geophysical witness. After all, who believes that the earth is really flat, that everything revolves around the earth, etc.? So I don't see why Genesis should be any exception. Bur wait a sec. Just how did traditional Christianity manage to step out of the fundamentalist box here? Here it is important to consider the writings of the Protestant Reformers, who lived right on the scene, right at the time when science was beginning to serious question the flat earth, etc. Let's take a peak at Calvin, for example. He followed what is called the doctrine of accommodations. Accordingly, our minds are so puny that God often has to talk “baby talk” (Calvin's term) to us, to accommodate his message to our infirmities. He wrote a major commentary on Genesis, and, in his remarks on Gen. 1:6, he emphasized that God is here to accommodate to our weaknesses and therefore, most emphatically, is not here to teach us actual astronomy.



Now, about the to contradictory accounts. It is my position that we must step outside the fundamentalist box and come to the text open-minded. It is my position that there are two contradictory accounts. It is my position we must resist all the fiendish effects created within the narrow confines of the fundamentalist box to unduly smash them together and bludgeon them into one account. The best way to approach a text is to go on the plain reading. Hence, in Gen . 1, first animals are created, the man and woman together. In Gen. 2, first man, then animals, then woman. What may or may not be apparent in English translations is that there are two very different literary styles here. Gen. 1, fr example, is sing-songy, very sing-songy. Hence, Haydn wrote a major work titled

“The Creation,” based solely on Gen. 1. Gen,. 2 is narrative and not very singable. If you study the Hebrew here in more detail, we are also dealing with to different authors coming from two different time periods.



Let's turn to the stated content of the chronologies. As I said, a plain reading shows an obvious contradiction here. And as I said, many a fiendish attempt has been made within the fundamentalist box to smash these together. That is a favorite tactic of mode than one online self-styled apologists and also certain members in this group, no personal insult intended. So let us now go down through a list of the major devious attempts to smash the texts together and why they don't work.



There is the pluperfect theory. Accordingly, all apparent contradictions can be easily explained simply by recognizing that everything in Gen. 2 should be translated in the pluperfect tense, thereby referring right back to one. So the line should read,...So God HAD created the animals,,,” So the problem is simply generated in the reader's mind simply because the English Bible has been mistranslated here. To a lay person, this might look impressive. However, if you know anything at all about Hebrew, this solution immediately falls on its face. There is no, repeat no, pluperfect tense in Hebrew.



There is the two-creation theory. Accordingly, Gen. 1 and 2 refer to two different creations. Gen. 1 describes the total overall creation of the universe. Gen. 2 is purely concerned with what happened in the garden of Eden, with events that happened after the total overall creation. Looks promising. However, what is snot shown or addressed in the fundamentalist box is the fact fact this theory generates treffic problems in accounting for all the personnel involved and, in so doing g, has led to ridiculous results. A good example is the Lilith theory that was widespread among Medieval Christians and Jews. The problem was this: If we are fusing these accounts together, then there is a woman created in Gen. 1, and at the same time as Adam, who is not named, and who obviously exists in addition to Eve. Who is she? Her name is Lilith and she is Adam's first wife. She was domineering and liked riding on top of Adam when they had sex. Adam didn't like this and neither did God, as women are to be submissive. So God gave Adam a second wife, Eve, who at least stayed underneath during sex. Lilith then got mad, ran away, became a witch, and goes around terrorizing children, so that it was common to find a crib with “God save up from Lilith” written on it. Now, unless you believe in the existence of preAdamites, and the fundamentalist box does not and most Christians do not either, then this whole situation is absolutely ridiculous.



There is the latent-chronology theory. Accordingly, the account is written by one author, never mind the literary differences. What he takes as the real chronology is that which is presented in Gen. 1. However, when he gets to Gen. 2, he for some reason, does not work through or explicate that chronology in its true order. Well, by that same token, why not assume his rue chronology is gen. 1 and that Gen. I is just his idea of explicating it out of order, for some reason? See, that strategy backfires. In addition, one wonders why an author would set up his chronology on one page and then on the next explicate it out of order. That sure is an awkward, messy way of explaining yourself.



Now if any of you readers have in mind a better solution, I and other biblical scholars would like to hear it.



Another problem with the Genesis account is that it does not make it clear how God creates. Some will say it definitely means creatio ex nihilo. But God created Adam out of dust, not out of nothing. God created Eve out of Adam's rib, not out of nothing. God creates the adult out of the child, not our of nothing. The opening of the Genesis account is ambiguous here. Maybe god creates out of nothing, but maybe out of some preexistence chaos.

Baloney. (Technically, "bologna.")
 
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Baloney, I say. I have already published at least four times my position on the contradictions in Genesis. Apparently, you didn't bother to take the time to read them.
We read them. You are simply wrong. There are no contradictions in Genesis, and anyone who reads beyond a seventh grade level can clearly see this. Why you continuously post that wall of gibberish is unknown, but it's wrong and has no relationship to the truth of the Scriptures. You may be in love with your own opinion, but the rest of us realize that you're completely incorrect.
 
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I repeat, how many "days" were there before God created the light, and thus day and night? Were there 24 hour days? Think. There is a reason why those first three verses are not a run-on sentence.
Light was created on day one, when God created the earth. The earth was without form and void; gaseous. Then God said let there be light. He divided the darkness from the light. How? Was there a curtain? No, darkness was divided from light because the earth solidified and the mass of the earth blocked the light to the other side of the earth. The earth was in rotation, and the evening and the morning were the first day.
 
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