VirOptimus
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It really isnt.
I dont begrudge you your belief, but neither do I envy it. I hope you can have the same courtesy for me.
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Where did the laws of nature come from?
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It really isnt.
I dont begrudge you your belief, but neither do I envy it. I hope you can have the same courtesy for me.
Of course I respect your beliefs, but consider that if the tenets of Christianity are true, I don't think you can blame me for having sorrow over those who do not share the same beliefs I do.
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Or, as I said, you can just look around, notice that things tend to follow patterns and then work from there.
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VirOptimus
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I actually do, at least a bit. For me, its a bit pompous to have sorrow for people not thinking like I do.
Just as I dont consider christianity to be true I wouldnt ask you to consider my values and beliefs to be the thruth.
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VirOptimus
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I find it so. I really dont want to be judged by you, just as I dont think its appropriate that I judge you.
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Historically, that is false. It is true that currently this is the case, but only because it is easier to precisely measure c than it is to measure epsilon (and now that we understand that c is constant, it makes no difference to rearrange things in this way). The definition of epsilon is that it is the force constant that relates the electric Coulomb force to the magnitude of the charges and the distance between them, analogously to G in the Newton's law of gravity.
Thus epsilon can be (and originally was) measured directly without reference to c.
Maxwell's equations and these constants were developed before we fully understood the nature of light. Since Maxwell's equations are more fundamental (since they explain all of electromagnetism, not just light), I see this as a more fundamental explanation of the constancy of the speed of light in vacuum, since the properties of light depend on these electromagnetic properties of space.
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Yep, it's constants, constants, constants, all the way down.
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I am not personally judging you, it is simply what God has written.
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
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All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
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VirOptimus
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No, its you who do the judging, as its you I speak with.
Would you like it if I expressed sorrow that you are deluded into beliving what you belive? If not, then you understand my irk.
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Historically? So you were referring to the historical definition as used in the 19th-20th century or some such? Why? SI units were introduced to avoid this confusion, ironically.
If we're going by different definitions then I could say the speed of light isn't even a proper constant, or many constants for that matter. The only thing remaining would be dimensionless physical constants like the fine-structure constant. There is nothing fundamentally constant about vacuum permittivity or vacuum permeability, it entirely depends on the system you're using.
That's a better explanation, though as someone else already mentioned merely shifts the problem along, it doesn't resolve it.
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