There is no evidence againts the Theory of Evolution.

[Hieronymus]

There is no evidence to read. In fact what evidence there is all contradicts the mutations theory. But they are stuck with it until a better theory comes along to replace it.

But it WAS a replacement for the INCREASINGLY obvious.
Genesis 1
And for all i care you take the chronology and duration allegorically, but God created al organisms, either alone or as YHWH Elohim plus his Holy Workforce.

Look at all the research and study they did on fly's. Many, many generations, still they start with a fly and then end up with a fly. There maybe lots of variation, and even you can get a fly to grow a leg out of his head. Still you start off with a fly and you end up with a fly.

Even bacteria remain bacteria and don't develop organelles.

Naturalism is just our modern mandatory beliefsystem.

 

[Hieronymus]

And you know all that, even though you have not read one word of what they have written?

Maybe i have, but i don't recall their names.

 

[Hieronymus]

How do you explain the fact that the family tree of species

That tree has been chopped down long ago.

 

[lesliedellow]

There is no evidence to read. In fact what evidence there is all contradicts the mutations theory.

Would you care to substantiate that?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Well, if her message endorses evolution (but i don't know to what extent) there you have the contradiction...
(i.m.h.o.)

Around 300,000 years ago the Dinosaurs began to devour each other. She believes this was when Satan was thrown down to the earth from Heaven. He was the one that turned God's creation against itself to get it to destroy itself. I actually spent quite a bit of time doing a study on the Coelophysis Bauri from Ghost Ranch, New Mexico.

http://www.livescience.com/43295-triassic-period.html

I say repeatedly there is no conflict between true science and the Bible. I have put a lot of work and a lot of study into confirming that. Even though the skeptics and scoffers like to accuse me I have a preponderance of the evidence and they have zip, zero nothing. In fact all of the evidence that they so diligently have gathered supports Creationism.

As King Solomon observed: "To the person who pleases him, God gives wisdom, knowledge and happiness, but to the sinner he gives the task of gathering and storing up wealth to hand it over to the one who pleases God. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind". Ecc 2:26

 

[lesliedellow]

That tree has been chopped down long ago.

Oh really.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That tree has been chopped down long ago.

I esp like the part about Horse evolution that has gone though total revision,
yet the text books still teach the old obsolete model.

 

[Hieronymus]

Oh really.

YES REALLY.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Would you care to substantiate that?

Just how do you substantiate a lack of evidence? I have been to college and I have taken debate classes. You have to present your own evidence you can not ask me to present your defense for you. If you have evidence to substantiate your claim then present it.

 

[lesliedellow]

I esp like the part about Horse evolution that has gone though total revision,
yet the text books still teach the old obsolete model.

Creationists have great trouble with the idea that science progresses as new evidence is discovered don't they? But that's how we come to no longer believe that the Sun orbits the Earth.

 

[lesliedellow]

Just how do you substantiate a lack of evidence? I have been to college and I have taken debate classes. You have to present your own evidence you can not ask me to present your defense for you. If you have evidence to substantiate your claim then present it.

If you make an assertion it is incumbent upon you to substantiate it. I could claim that there is no evidence that the Earth was a sphere, but then it would be incumbent upon me to justify that assertion.

 

[lesliedellow]

YES REALLY.

Another unsubstantiated assertion. That seems to be all that creationists have.

 

[Hieronymus]

Creationists have great trouble with the idea that science progresses as new evidence is discovered don't they?

Haha!
No sir.
Have a look at this:

 

[joshua 1 9]

Creationists have great trouble with the idea that science progresses as new evidence is discovered don't they? But that's how we come to no longer believe that the Sun orbits the Earth.

Actually what people have trouble with is that fact that the Bible has not changed in 3500 years. If they understand the Bible or not the Bible remains consistent and true from the Beginning. Because God knows the end from the beginning. Calvanism means predetermined. Not random. Everything has a plan and a purpose.

…9"Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me,10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure';11 Calling a bird of prey from the east, The man of My purpose from a far country. Truly I have spoken; truly I will bring it to pass. I have planned it, surely I will do it.…Isa 46

 

[Hieronymus]

Another unsubstantiated assertion. That seems to be all that creationists have.

At least i don't assert non-existent trees.

But maybe we should try to accept eachother's views, and be a little nicer...
It's a controversy (one of many i guess) that divides the Church, which is a pity...

 

[lesliedellow]

Haha!
No sir.
Have a look at this:

So another variation on the God of the gaps / irreducible complexity themes.

 

[Hieronymus]

So another variation on the God of the gaps / irreducible complexity themes.

No, it's about ...
Well,you can see the title..

 

[lesliedellow]

It's a controversy (one of many i guess) that divides the Church, which is a pity...

No controversy. I wouldn't be able to find one creationist in my local church, which has an evangelical congregation. Almost the only people who think there is any debate have their residence in the American Bible Belt.

 

[lesliedellow]

[QUOTE="joshua 1 9, post: 69512938, member: 376633] Calvanism means predetermined.[/QUOTE]

Quite right it does. And one of the things science has discovered to have been preordained by God is evolution by means of natural selection.

 

[Hieronymus]

So another variation on the God of the gaps / irreducible complexity themes.

Actually, yes.
We have this gap in knowledge, you see.
We try to figure out how life came to be as we now know it.
We both know that simple organisms don't exist, every cell is highly complex, and it's potentially perfect high end nano-technology that makes it work.
Living nature is the most complex thing known to man,and we're still discovering more complexity.

Now there are two options to explain the phenomenon of life (and its premises).
- Conscious intelligence with skills and the will to create
- dead unconscious things