"The Greatest Conceivable Being"

[Neochristian]

I've explained faith: In philosophy, faith is wack. In religion, faith isn't belief without evidence. In life, faith is a virtue.



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[bhsmte]

Does this mean, you have evidence for your personal faith, that you can demonstrate to others?

 

[Neochristian]

Yeah. My faith is goodness, which is self-evident.


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[bhsmte]

Cool.

The floor is yours.

 

[Neochristian]

You are still confused. Faith isn't belief without evidence.


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[bhsmte]

As I said, the floor is yours, if care to demonstrate.

 

[Neochristian]

I edited my post: my faith is goodness, which is self-evident. In actuality, that is the biblical Christian faith.

But you don't seem to want to learn. You are ignoring the paradigm shift I am proposing. I can feel you waiting in hopes to out-argue me, or just argue with me.

Faith is not belief without evidence.

 

[bhsmte]

I edited my post: my faith is goodness, which is self-evident. In actuality, that is the biblical Christian faith.

But you don't seem to want to learn. You are ignoring the paradigm shift I am proposing. I can feel you waiting in hopes to out-argue me, or just argue with me.

Faith is not belief without evidence.

I am sorry, anything about you is not self evident to me.

You make a lot of brief statements and claims, but I have yet to see you support these claims, with any type of evidence.

You see, I don't really care what people claim to believe or not believe, I am most interested in how they substantiate their belief. I find this type of discussion most interesting.

 

[Neochristian]

Then I'm not here for you.

Faith is not belief without evidence.

 

[bhsmte]

Then I'm not here for you.

Faith is not belief without evidence.

My only interest is whether you can demonstrate the above, with more than words.

If you can't or refuse to, that is cool.

 

[Neochristian]

I'm attempting to do you a favor right now. That's the evidence of my goodness, which is my faith. I'm still putting up with you even though you ignore my favor, and still trying to give it to you. That's even more faith of my goodness, which is my faith.

Faith is not belief without evidence.


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[bhsmte]

I'm attempting to do you a favor right now. That's the evidence of my goodness, which is my faith. I'm still putting up with you even though you ignore my favor, and still trying to give it to you. That's even more faith of my goodness, which is my faith.

Faith is not belief without evidence.


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What favor are you trying to extend to me? Please be specific.

I will ask again, can you demonstrate that faith is not belief without evidence?

 

[Neochristian]

The favor is I'm correcting your understanding of faith.

Last time I checked you can't prove a negative.

But the Bible says faith is goodness.

 

[Neochristian]

Actually, I'm not continuing with you. If somebody else who wants to learn speaks up, I'll continue. I'm here for them.

Again:

In philosophy, faith is wack. In religion, faith isn't belief without evidence. In life, faith is a virtue.



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[bhsmte]

The favor is I'm correcting your understanding of faith.

Last time I checked you can't prove a negative.

But the Bible says faith is goodness.

I can't recall making a claim about faith, so what are you trying to correct?

I simply asked you to demonstrate the claim you made about faith, is substantiated, with something other than your personal opinion.

 

[ScottA]

It described the futile attempt at communication between a dog and a flea.

Feel free to spell it out then.

Then you would have been well advised to try to make yourself clear.

Spelling it out has not worked, telling it, nor even creating a complete universe. If that all doesn't tell you that you don't get a vote or get to have an opinion even, and that we only have a part in what has been created if God wills it...then nothing will. At the very least it should be considered foolish to look a gift-horse in the mouth (if that is not too confusing). A change of attitude is in order.

 

[bhsmte]

Actually, I'm not continuing with you. If somebody else who wants to learn speaks up, I'll continue. I'm here for them.

Again:

In philosophy, faith is wack. In religion, faith isn't belief without evidence. In life, faith is a virtue.



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That's cool. If you don't want to demonstrate your claim, I have no desire to continue with you.

 

[ScottA]

You think my position would appear stronger if I were certain of something that i couldn't prove, demonstrate, or even had evidence for?

If that were my position...you'd probably wonder if I hadn't deceived myself as well.

What difference does it make, if you do not leave room in your receptiveness for anything more grand than what you already know? There can be no gain from a purely defensive position.

 

[bhsmte]

What difference does it make, if you do not leave room in your receptiveness for anything more grand than what you already know? There can be no gain from a purely defensive position.

If you want others to be open to something they don't know, provide a reason for them to be open to it, besides unsubstantiated claims.

 

[Neochristian]

What difference does it make, if you do not leave room in your receptiveness for anything more grand than what you already know? There can be no gain from a purely defensive position.

You're wasting your breath.

Faith is not belief without evidence.