"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

[SkyWriting]

IOW, the results are indistinguishable from God doing nothing.

Becasue God changes your expectations to match his miracles, if you let Him.
If you don't, then the same things happens, but you don't see it.
Then it's just coincidence.

 

[bhsmte]

Becasue God changes your expectations to match his miracles, if you let Him.
If you don't, then the same things happens, but you don't see it.
Then it's just coincidence.

How do you go about letting him?

 

[SkyWriting]

How do you go about letting him?

By suppressing your desire to control the outcome.

 

[bhsmte]

By suppressing your desire to control the outcome.

How do you know when you have achieved that?

 

[SkyWriting]

How do you know when you have achieved that?

When you actually turn over control and don't return to "wishing."
After a stream of anguish over your request, the turn-over or freedom
from anguish is dramatic, external, and clear as the eye of a hurricane.
In that moment, miracles happen.

 

[DogmaHunter]

When you actually turn over control and don't return to "wishing."
After a stream of anguish over your request, the turn-over or freedom
from anguish is dramatic, external, and clear as the eye of a hurricane.
In that moment, miracles happen.

Ok. But then still... how do you tell the difference between something simply happening and this god making it happen?

 

[Loudmouth]

Becasue God changes your expectations to match his miracles, if you let Him.
If you don't, then the same things happens, but you don't see it.
Then it's just coincidence.

Just like the snake oil salesman adjusts your expectations to match what the snake oil does. It's the oldest con in the world. When the snake oil doesn't work, just make the claim that people weren't using it correctly. If praying doesn't work, just claim that they weren't praying the right way.

 

[leftrightleftrightleft]

It isn't arbitrary. Claims based on mountains of verifiable evidence are not considered extraordinary.

I've heard many people say that the claims of evolution and the big bang theory are too extraordinary to be believed.

I guess you could say that their incredulity is borne of ignorance.

But then again, they could say the same thing of you regarding Jesus rising from the dead...

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Just like the snake oil salesman adjusts your expectations to match what the snake oil does. It's the oldest con in the world. When the snake oil doesn't work, just make the claim that people weren't using it correctly. If praying doesn't work, just claim that they weren't praying the right way.

Or that it did work, but in ways they don't realise or recognise; or that it hasn't worked yet; or... and so-on. GWIMW (God Works In Mysterious Ways) covers a multitude of... variations.

 

[bhsmte]

I've heard many people say that the claims of evolution and the big bang theory are too extraordinary to be believed.

I guess you could say that their incredulity is borne of ignorance.

I guess one would need to compare the available evidence for each of those claims.

But then again, they could say the same thing of you regarding Jesus rising from the dead...

 

[Loudmouth]

I've heard many people say that the claims of evolution and the big bang theory are too extraordinary to be believed.

I guess you could say that their incredulity is borne of ignorance.

It is born of the need to protect religious beliefs.

 

[SkyWriting]

Just like the snake oil salesman adjusts your expectations to match what the snake oil does. It's the oldest con in the world. When the snake oil doesn't work, just make the claim that people weren't using it correctly. If praying doesn't work, just claim that they weren't praying the right way.

It can't be used except to change yourself.

 

[SkyWriting]

Or that it did work, but in ways they don't realise or recognise; or that it hasn't worked yet; or... and so-on. GWIMW (God Works In Mysterious Ways) covers a multitude of... variations.

Becasue it can' be used to change the lives of others.
Nobody wants that power in your hands. We all
pray you never get that power over others.

 

[SkyWriting]

Just like the snake oil salesman adjusts your expectations to match what the snake oil does.

All people intend to adjust your expectations to
what they are offering can provide. Living - lesson one.

 

[loveofourlord]

Extraordinary claims are claims like people rising from the dead, some kind of miracles that goes against human experience. I think even if we're to provide the evidence for extraordinary claims that wouldn't make it extraordinary evidence.

I think the extraordinary part refers to something more then waveable, personal experience, video and such have to see it first hand and examine and such, we see all the times mentalists and illusionists do extraordinary things and people think they have real magick just hiding it. Our memories and such are pretty bad, as someone that from time to time gets sleep hallucinations I know how bad the mind can be *nothing majour just will think I see something in my room that isn't there, just a extreme case of paradolia.*

 

[Chesterton]

What would be an example of extraordinary evidence?

 

[bhsmte]

What would be an example of extraordinary evidence?

Evidence that supports an extraordinary claim.

 

[Chesterton]

Evidence that supports an extraordinary claim.

I asked for an example.

 

[bhsmte]

I asked for an example.

Lets say I told you I bowled 10 straight 300 games. Very likely, you would consider this an extraordinary claim, correct?

Now, lets say, someone video taped me bowling these 10 straight 300 games and I presented that to you. That would be, extraordinary evidence.

 

[Chesterton]

Lets say I told you I bowled 10 straight 300 games. Very likely, you would consider this an extraordinary claim, correct?

Now, lets say, someone video taped me bowling these 10 straight 300 games and I presented that to you. That would be, extraordinary evidence.

Videotape would be considered extraordinary?