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Here's my problem, I believe in evolution, and it brings up doubts especially in the OT...

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TLK Valentine

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which is the heart and soul of junk-science evolutionism.

Ah, the ever-popular "I know you are but what am I?" school of sophistry... you are truly a credit to creationism.

And the whole point in making factless and false accusations regarding quote-mining whenever an unflattering quote surfaces from your own junk-science religion of evolutionism... is that people who believe in evolutionism "care about the accusation" but not about the lack of substance in it.

On the contrary, Bob, we care very much about the lack of substance in your quotes... more than you, it would seem, since we always include the substance you chose to omit.
 
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A few more "details" totally missed in the "non-discussion" at the links you provide.

And we saw that again in the case of the fraudulent horse series

"I admit that an awful lot of that [imaginary stories] has gotten into the textbooks as though it were true. For instance, the most famous example still on exhibit downstairs [in the American Museum of Natural History] is the exhibit on horse evolution prepared perhaps 50 years ago. That has been presented as literal truth in textbook after textbook. Now I think that that is lamentable ..."
Niles Eldredge, as quoted in Luther D Sunderland, Darwin's Enigma: Fossils and Other Problems, 4th ed. 1988, pg 78.


"The uniform continuous transformation of Hyracotherium into Equus, so dear to the hearts of generations of textbook writers, never happened in nature."—G.G. Simpson, Life of the Past (1953), p. 119.

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The sorts of things world class scientists were not saying about gravity and thermodynamics in the 1980's and 1950's



Here is a fact already in evidence.

After the bold equivocation between junk-science evolutionism and actual science like the law of Gravity and the laws of thermodynamics - I pointed out the blunder - showing that in real life even you don't see world class scientists saying the sorts of thing about gravity as your own atheist scientists say about evolutionism.

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Collin Patterson (atheist and diehard evolutionist to the day he died in 1998) - Paleontologist British Museum of Natural history speaking at the American Museum of Natural History in 1981 - said:


Patterson - quotes Gillespie's arguing that Christians

"'...holding creationist ideas could plead ignorance of the means and affirm only the fact,'"

Patterson countered, "That seems to summarize the feeling I get in talking to evolutionists today. They plead ignorance of the means of transformation, but affirm only the fact (saying):'Yes it has...we know it has taken place.'"


"...Now I think that many people in this room would acknowledge that during the last few years, if you had thought about it at all, you've experienced a shift from evolution as knowledge to evolution as faith. I know that's true of me, and I think it's true of a good many of you in here...


"...,Evolution not only conveys no knowledge, but seems somehow to convey anti-knowledge , apparent knowledge which is actually harmful to systematics..."

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Now on this thread we are being "told" to equivocate between blind faith evolutionism - and ... 'Gravity' and 'the law of thermodynamics'. AS IF our top scientists today ALSO come out saying "the law of thermodynamics conveys no knowledge.. in fact it seems somehow to convey anti-knowledge. apparent knowledge that is harmful to physics".

AS IF our top scientists today would say "Gravity --and the gravitational constant so near and dear to science text books today - NEVER HAPPENED in nature".

REALLY?? That is what you see happening???

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Thus the perfect contrast was given - exposing that sort of "equivocation" as was attempted trying to get evolutionism in the "legit box" of science - that has Gravity and Thermodynamics in it.



I have to wonder what the point of them is anyway?

a) I haven't bothered checking them but aren't all the people quoted professional scientists and fully accept evolution?
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What part of "Collin Patterson (atheist and diehard evolutionist" in the quote above sounds like "might not be evolutionist - probably rejects evolutionism"?????

These are atheist evolutionists scientists themselves - the high priests of blind-faith evolutionism making these statements.

It is this very sort of "lack of attention to detail" that can be seen over and over again in the efforts to prop up blind faith evolutionism via ad hominem "fluff" --

Very "instructive" for the unbiased objective readers.
 
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O come on, please...
You're smarter than that.
I can't believe you're oblivious to the problems ToE has.
The emptiness is not in the claim.

Then list some of these supposed flaws. Remember, no quote mines. If you do that then you are in essence saying that the Bible opposes the existence of God since it says 12 times "There is no God".
 
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Great lecture, but not fit to share with non-believers, unfortunately...
And that's often the case, which is a pity i.m.o.

I suppose you are correct. I wished i could have edited the video, and only posted the part about the lemur. Someone shared that video in another thread and thats where i found it. They said that an Atheist shared it with them.
 
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I suppose you are correct. I wished i could have edited the video, and only posted the part about the lemur. Someone shared that video in another thread and thats where i found it. They said that an Atheist shared it with them.
An atheist will only hear the Christian rhetoric...
Even if it's obviously a lemur...

They'll even deny Dawkins verbally acknowledging 'a signature of design' in DNA..
 
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An atheist will only hear the Christian rhetoric...
Even if it's obviously a lemur...

Yes, the guy preaching could has salted his words with a lot more grace. It kinda defeated his own purpose in sharing that video on the Net.
 
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Each quote has been proven beyond all doubt - and the only complaint that has been substantiated is that the quote is "inconvenient for blind faith evolutionism" -- and that fact "alone" is the only fact presented so far for arguing 'well then it must be a quote mine' -- as if that is some sort of odd substitute for "logic" and reason.

By simply offering non-substantive posts whenever an inconvenient quote surfaces the 'true believer' in the mythology of evolutionism can add this



How sad that such nonsense passes for the excuse to take the worst-upside and the worst-downside (Combined) path - clinging to mythology that "a pile of dirt will sure-enough turn into a rabbit".



Interesting that after having claimed to rigorously find some flaw in the quotes we get "I haven't bothered checking them".

interesting that after my post after post claiming that these guys are atheist-diehard-true-believer-evolutionist scientists (because that is the WHOLE POINT of the post) -- this question comes up...

What then do atheists and evolutionists mean by "extensively discussed and addressed"????

Notice that in the oft-repeated wishful thinking - that claims the junk-science of evolutionism should be regarded in the same way as real sciences such as math, chemistry, physics, observable-biology etc - we find a useful "contrast" .. because the leading figures on REAL science - are not making the 'this is all junk-science religion' sorts of lament about their own fields of study - as we find among the diehard professors of junk-science evolutionism.

Either I'm experiencing de ja vu or you used all your quote mines in a previous thread and each one was discussed and dismissed.

I see you complained that I didn't check them but failed to respond to the actual point of my post:

a) Aren't all the people quoted professional scientists and fully accept evolution?
b) Why is Bob prepared to accept one or two sentences they say which he thinks support his point,yet reject the other 99.999% of their work which disagrees with his 'opinion'?
c) Does one comment (even if it were shown to be in context) negate actual evidence. Opinions are not facts.


I'm only posting this to point out the flaws in your quote mining tactics, there's no need to respond if you're just going to repeat your usual rhetoric. If you've got any actual evidence as to why the theory of evolution is wrong please present it though (quotes, opinion, beliefs or talk of 'dirt' do not count as evidence by the way).
 
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If you've got any actual evidence as to why the theory of evolution is wrong please present it though
Watch the videos posted here recently, and you know there are many more like it.
In fact, you can take just about any organism and destroy Darwinism by analysing it.
Even Darwin would have left his idea long ago.
Real science has killed Darwinism over and over in the past decades.
 
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Yes, the guy preaching could has salted his words with a lot more grace. It kinda defeated his own purpose in sharing that video on the Net.
It's edification for Christians, which is also important i.m.o.
 
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Interesting that after having claimed to rigorously find some flaw in the quotes we get "I haven't bothered checking them".

interesting that after my post after post claiming that these guys are atheist-diehard-true-believer-evolutionist scientists (because that is the WHOLE POINT of the post) -- this question comes up...

What then do atheists and evolutionists mean by "extensively discussed and addressed"????

As you're so concerned that I didn't bother checking (or did you just focus on a red herring you could get in a flap about?) I took the trouble of finding the other thread you spammed with the same quote mines. It makes for dull reading but each of your quotes is discussed.

http://www.christianforums.com/thre...reationist-accepted-evolution.7925537/page-36

I know it's a difficult concept to grasp but please remember... quotes are not facts.
 
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Watch the videos posted here recently, and you know there are many more like it.

Thanks, but unfortunately I can't watch videos where I am.

In fact, you can take just about any organism and destroy Darwinism by analysing it.

Hieronymous, you keep making these claims yet never back them up. I'll call your bluff and choose a snake (if you want me to be more specific feel free to ask), please show how you destroy Darwinism by analysing it.
 
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Thanks, but unfortunately I can't watch videos where I am.
Well, then watch later.
Hieronymous, you keep making these claims yet never back them up.
You don't look at what i point out to you.

Ignoring the evidence doesn't make it go away.
 
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Watch the videos posted here recently, and you know there are many more like it.
In fact, you can take just about any organism and destroy Darwinism by analysing it.
Even Darwin would have left his idea long ago.
Real science has killed Darwinism over and over in the past decades.

So why don't you describe this evidence?
 
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You don't look at what i point out to you.

You pointed out that you could destroy the 'Darwinism' (by which I assume you mean the TOE) by analyzing any organism, if you don't like my choice of organism let's choose another one.
 
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This is what i actually said:
In fact, you can take just about any organism and destroy Darwinism by analysing it.
Even Darwin would have left his idea long ago.
Real science has killed Darwinism over and over in the past decades.
Did i say "i" ?
No.
What i can do, is show you how 'you' (meaning 'a person') can, by linking to examples.

It's just a cheap atheist trick to ignore the evidence.
It has little to do with me, you see.
 
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