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How many creationist here think that atheism and evolution go together?

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When someone corrects an error of yours the proper thing to do is to thank them, acknowledge the error, and move on.

You forget onen thing. Things are not that simple.

"[T]he skills you need to produce a right answer are exactly the skills you need to recognize what a right answer is"
 
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They do not feel that it would be possible to build a wood boat that big.

If it breaks when it is 2 meter (6 feet) it will definitely break if it is 200 meters - simple physics says so.

Real science you know, not bilical science that make things work by magic, you know, talking snake and dead sticks that turn into snake, and other kind of magic stuff.
 
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If it breaks when it is 2 meter (6 feet) it will definitely break if it is 200 meters - simple physics says so.
It sure looks like Moses was a better boat builder then your crew.
Better fire them and hire someone that knows what they are doing.
 
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If the Bible says it is true then it is true. The Bible is 100% dependable.

If I say the bible is wrong then it is wrong. The bible is 100% wrong.

Do you want to continue the debate in this kind of immature childish way?

It is your choice....
 
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It sure looks like Moses was a better boat builder then your crew.
Better fire them and hire someone that knows what they are doing.

Does not matter what you say or claim, the facts is such boat cannot withstand waves - it will break and sink.
 
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There is some controversy over the size of the Ark. They do not feel that it would be possible to build a wood boat that big. It was the same length as the The longest wooden ship ever built, the six-masted New England gaff Schooner Wyoming. That ship did not fall apart.

Very wrong.

Because of its extreme length and wood construction, Wyoming tended to flex in heavy seas, which would cause the long planks to twist and buckle, thereby allowing sea water to intrude into the hold. Wyoming had to use pumps to keep its hold relatively free of water. In March 1924, it foundered in heavy seas and sank with the loss of all hands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming_(schooner)


If the Bible says it is true then it is true. The Bible is 100% dependable.

Circular reasoning is a logical fallacy.
 
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He is not concerned with facts other than, to deny the ones that dont support his story.

That is not a fact, that is a claim. If joshua plays tennis with the net down when he serves, then I can also play with the net down when I serve.
 
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That is not a fact, that is a claim. If joshua plays tennis with the net down when he serves, then I can also play with the net down when I serve.

I believe the evidence shows, he readily denies well evidenced reality, that contradicts his faith beliefs.
 
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I believe the evidence shows, he readily denies well evidenced reality, that contradicts his faith beliefs.

Frankly, I don't care if joshua believe Noah's boat can float or not. Even if it can survive the worse storm ever imaginable it still does not give more credit to the story about the Flood since multiple independent lines of evidence show it did not even happen, or it happen like thousands of times - like once every 2-3 year for the past 5-6 thousand years - that is between all the thousands of volcano eruptions that also took place..

Strangle enough it has not been a single world wide flood during my life time, or modern known history for the past thousands years for that sake. Therefore the flood must had been even more frequently in the past, maybe once every month or so... Who knows? Ask the bible experts, they know everything...

Next thing these people gonna tell me is the fact that the Flood is real (Superman exists), because if the boat can float (Superman dresses exists) it implies the Flood (Superman) is real. Why else would the boat (Superman dresses) exist it wasn't for the fact that the Flood (Superman) is real?

It is all logical (no magic here just science!) and it so much more makes sense to me now when God have filled me with His divine wisdom...
 
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I believe the evidence shows, he readily denies well evidenced reality, that contradicts his faith beliefs.

But I don't agree, the evidence doesn't tell us anything about why joshua respond as he do. He may just act like that to trip people off, i.e. doing it for fun, because obviously it will do. Or it can be that he just want to see how people react to it - why would he not enjoy also to study how people react to things - it is quite telling about a persons intellectual maturity how you react. So maybe he just test people, to decide who he wants to spend time to discuss more serious with. I can make up a lot of other reasons as well, but that is not the point. The point is, one can speculate (like you indicated that you did) but what is the point in such speculations else than telling yourself that you are right and he is wrong, i.e. you are only ventilating a frustration.

All we know is that he plays with the net down when he serves...
 
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But I don't agree, the evidence doen't tell us anything about why joshua respond as he do. He may just act like that to trip people off, i.e. doing it for fun, because obvioulsy it will do. Or or it can be that he just want to see how people react to it - why would he not enjoy also to study how people react to things - it is quite telling about persons intellectual maturity how you react. So maybe he just test people, to decide who he wants to spend time to discuss more serious with. I can make up a lot of other reasons as well, but that is not the point. The point is, one can speculate (like you indicated that you did) but what is the point in such speculations else than telling yourself that you are right and he is wrong?

Disagree.

If you read his posts, he admits, the bible is 100% correct. If he starts with this premise, it is obviuous why he denies anything that contradicts the same.
 
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Frankly, I don't care if joshua believe Noah's boat can float or not. Even if it can survive the worse storm ever imaginable it still does not give more credit to the story about the Flood since multiple independent lines of evidence show it did not even happen, or it happen like thousands of times - like once every 2-3 year for the past 5-6 thousand years - that is between all the thousands of volcano eruptions that also took place..

Strangle enough it has not been a single world wide flood during my life time, or modern known history for the past thousands years for that sake. Therefore the flood must had been even more frequently in the past, maybe once every month or so... Who knows? Ask the bible experts, they know everything...

Next thing these people gonna tell me is the fact that the Flood is real (Superman exists), because if the boat can float (Superman dresses exists) it implies the Flood (Superman) is real. Why else would the boat (Superman dresses) exist it wasn't for the fact that the Flood (Superman) is real?

It is all logical (no magic here just science!) and it so much more makes sense to me now when God have filled me with His divine wisdom...
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Disagree.

If you read his posts, he admits, the bible is 100% correct. If he starts with this premise, it is obviuous why he denies anything that contradicts the same.

Sure he is wrong when he says that, but I pointed out that you cannot known why he is wrong. Still you insist you know. But how does being wrong prove intention? It is not obvious to me why joshua writes what he does. In other words, you claim to posses some kind of knowledge of him which I don't have. Well, then, show it to me. Or wait, you said "it is obvious" - did you perhaps meant to say "it was revealed" to you?

Do you see where I am getting with this? You are making your self guilty to the same erroneous reasoning you accuse joshua of.
 
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