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Bernie Sanders: Redskins Name Not Necessary

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Bernie Sanders: Redskins Name Not Necessary

WASHINGTON — The name of Washington’s NFL team was further politicized this week, as Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders came down on the side of change for the Redskins.

“Washington has a very good football team but it doesn’t have to be called the Redskins,” Sanders told a rallying crowd at a Navajo casino.

It is not an unexpected stance for the self-identifying socialist politician, who was part of a group of 50 U.S. Senators to sign a letter urging owner Dan Snyder to change the Redskins name. That letter came out in the wake of the racial comments made public by Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling.

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/03/19/bernie-sanders-redskins-name-not-necessary/
 

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They should do like the FSU Seminoles and become affiliated with and sanctioned by an actual tribe, use respectful imagery (the current one seems ok) and drop the racially insensitive name.

Basically, they need to pay homage to real Indians and not caricatures.
 
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Sanders should stick to what he knows - giving away free shtuff with no way to pay for it.

Except for taxes, you know... the money that's supposed to pay for stuff...

...or do you think the Navy gets a "free" aircraft carrier just for asking for it?
 
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Except for taxes, you know... the money that's supposed to pay for stuff...

...or do you think the Navy gets a "free" aircraft carrier just for asking for it?
Hey if he can pay for all the free stuff with existing tax revenues, fine.
 
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It's pretty pathetic that someone thought "Hey, Redskins would be a great name!" to begin with.

From what I've read, the current logo was actually suggested by a Blackfeet tribe member, but the name change to "Redskins" decades before that was less kosher.
 
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Hey if he can pay for all the free stuff with existing tax revenues, fine.

If it's paid for with taxes, it's not free stuff.

Of course, he could also fix the tax code -- get rid of the loopholes, make sure everyone pays their fare share, etc. -- and pay for a lot more with those tax revenues.
 
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It's pretty pathetic that someone thought "Hey, Redskins would be a great name!" to begin with.

From what I've read, the current logo was actually suggested by a Blackfeet tribe member, but the name change to "Redskins" decades before that was less kosher.
They've been the Redskins since 1932. Before that they were the Boston Braves.
 
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They should do like the FSU Seminoles and become affiliated with and sanctioned by an actual tribe, use respectful imagery (the current one seems ok) and drop the racially insensitive name.

Basically, they need to pay homage to real Indians and not caricatures.
The NCAA may have made that determination in the FSU case, but in others, no.

No amount of support from the tribe in question made any difference in those cases. Of course one of these deals with the NFL and the other concerns the NCAA.
 
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What's wrong with the name Redskins?
I suggest there is enough concern that the term promotes racism to warrant its withdrawal. I am not an historian, nor am I even an American, but I would bet that the term has a history of being used in ways that promotes divisiveness, suspicion of native Americans, and other negative things. Obviously, there are some occasions when we legitimately need to classify people according to their skin colour. But because, for whatever reason, we humans are arguably very easily inclined to unhealthy "us vs them" tribalistic thinking, we should make every effort to avoid thinking in terms of skin colour differences. And while, for example, medical experts need to be able to say that race A is more susceptible to disease X than race B, there is no earthly reason why we need to draw skin colour distinctions when it comes to naming sports teams.
 
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What's wrong with the n-word? Nothing... unless you're someone who gets offended by it.

And I certainly wouldn't recommend it as a name for a football team...
 
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What's wrong with the name Redskins?
Here is another reason why the name may be a problem: it arguably trivializes and caricatures native American culture. Imagine if someone proposed that a new New York football team be called the "New York Rabbis". I expect many would be offended, and I think rightly so. Why? Because the rabbinic tradition, I believe, has, in fact, made many contributions to the advancement of human knowledge and culture. To name a football team after it is at least a little disrespectful to that tradition, I suggest. A Jew, and especially a rabbi, would probably not want this respected tradition used as a label for a bunch of 25 year old millionaires battling over a leather ball. I suspect that native Americans feel the same way when the term "Redskin" is used for a football team - it kind of cartoon-izes their cultural tradition. And that is not really helpful or constructive.
 
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...and you'd say the same for the name of any tribe, for the word "warrior," and for the color "red" as well. Right?

So it all comes down to the right or lack of same to say anything--so long as someone, somewhere, on the political Left takes offense at it, logically or otherwise.
 
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...and you'd say the same for the name of any tribe, for the word "warrior," and for the color "red" as well. Right?
No, not for the use of the word "red" - the name Boston RedSox or even Cincinnati Reds is fine (I assume the Cincinnati name is not connected to Native Americans, unlike the "Redskins" name.

But, otherwise, any sports team name that connects strongly to a cultural tradition is, I think, not helpful. You need look no further than the Atlanta Braves and their fans doing that "song" where they mimic some sort of North American native chant - not helpful at all.

...So it all comes down to the right or lack of same to say anything--so long as someone, somewhere, on the political Left takes offense at it, logically or otherwise.
Of course not - you are leaping to conclusions. And your statement is at least a little ironic - your use of the term "the political Left" is, I suggest, a term that does the exact same (bad) thing that using a name like "Redskin" does - it appeals to a simplistic, and mistaken for that matter, worldview in which the world is split into a good "us" and a bad "them".

Please, let's have some correct reasoning here: I made an actual argument (two, as a matter of fact) as to why the term "Redskin" is a problem. You have wildly misrepresented me as simply being "offended for no reason".
 
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No, not for the use of the word "red" - the name Boston RedSox or even Cincinnati Reds is fine (I assume the Cincinnati name is not connected to Native Americans, unlike the "Redskins" name.

But, otherwise, any sports team name that connects strongly to a cultural tradition is, I think, not helpful. You need look no further than the Atlanta Braves and their fans doing that "song" where they mimic some sort of North American native chant - not helpful at all.


Of course not - you are leaping to conclusions. And your statement is at least a little ironic - your use of the term "the political Left" is, I suggest, a term that does the exact same (bad) thing that using a name like "Redskin" does - it appeals to a simplistic, and mistaken for that matter, worldview in which the world is split into a good "us" and a bad "them".

Please, let's have some correct reasoning here: I made an actual argument (two, as a matter of fact) as to why the term "Redskin" is a problem. You have wildly misrepresented me as simply being "offended for no reason".
The Tomahawk Chop. My Chiefs do it too, but they have officially done away with all Indian imagery, beside the arrowhead. Their mascot is some kind of weird armadillo thing.
 
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