Should Christmas be Celebrated or Rejected?

[EastCoastRemnant]

Its quite simple. If Jesus started his ministry @ 30 years old and died 3 and a half years into his ministry, that would have put him and 33 1/2 years old when he died on Passover. 95%+ of Christians believe he was 33 1/2 years old when he died and the bible even supports this too, so all you have to do is subtract or go forwards 6 months from Passover and it takes you to the Feast of Tabernacles, which would make perfect sense, because if you read the entire bible in context you will see God does everything major according to his Feast Days. So Jesus being born the first day of Tabernacles and being circumcised on the 8th day also makes sense as Tabernacles is a 8 day Feast.

Jesus died on Passover
Rose on First Fruits
Holy Spirit came on Day of Pentecost and Jesus will return during Feast of Trumpets in the future.



In regards to many saying every year these type of threads pop up, also deny that when these threads pop up and many links and documented proof how the origins of they day came to be, many on here just deny it, because they refuse to accept they have been fed a lie for all the hundreds of years that were passed down. Typically instead they will go to certain denominational websites and believe their history that starts in 300AD and ignores everything that happened before it came to power.

I have come to this conclusion as well... the feast of tabernacles is the only logical time for His first advent.

 

[Vine and Branches]

It pre-figured the time of month too.



http://www.patheos.com/blogs/geneveith/2007/12/evidence-december-25-is-the-right-day/

To be honest, that is very weak evidence. Shepherds do not only go out when sheep are born. They usually take watch of them when they can. That is the role of a shepherd.

 

[Bob S]

And you have presented ZERO evidence of that assertion, other than your own opinion which does not count. If I am wrong, please point me to your post.

Even if the customs we now observe were "passed down" what in the world does it have to do with my Christian experience with my Savior. All the thumpers of law certainly cannot be happy criticizing the rest of Christianity.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Oh and btw, the 300 ADs are not when the RCC "came into power"

You beat me to it.....

 

[civilwarbuff]

To be honest, that is very weak evidence. Shepherds do not only go out when sheep are born. They usually take watch of them when they can. That is the role of a shepherd.

Only if they want them killed by wild animal or stolen by thieves....otherwise, they keep watch 24/7. Sort of like Messiah....

 

[Vine and Branches]

Only if they want them killed by wild animal or stolen by thieves....otherwise, they keep watch 24/7. Sort of like Messiah....

Yes, I totally agree.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Even if the customs we now observe were "passed down" what in the world does it have to do with my Christian experience with my Savior. All the thumpers of law certainly cannot be happy criticizing the rest of Christianity.

You are free to believe and practice as you see fit if it draws you to Messiah.

 

[rakovsky]

To be honest, that is very weak evidence. Shepherds do not only go out when sheep are born. They usually take watch of them when they can. That is the role of a shepherd.

That was their repeated experience though of the sheep herders when it came to night herding.

 

[WretchedGoat]

I haven't bothered to read most of this thread simply because knowing what I know of people, it's been nothing but argumentative WHAGARBLLL anyhow. So why am I posting? I'm glad you asked.

I haven't celebrated Christmas since I was a teenager and I turn 40 on my next birthday. Not for religious reasons (although they now align), but more so because Christmas to most people means JACK SQUAT other than a reason to decorate the house and rack up credit card debt. No thanks. But, now that I've studied and found out about the origins of Christmas and how they are HIGHLY questionable, I feel even better about disregarding the observance of the official holiday. I do enjoy the couple days off of work though, so that's nice.

P.S. any attempt to debate me about the origins of the holiday will be ignored, so save your energy. Toodles!

 

[rakovsky]

Only if they want them killed by wild animal or stolen by thieves....otherwise, they keep watch 24/7. Sort of like Messiah....

But maybe during the night they would normally be back at the ranch rather than out in the field unless there was some unusual reason like raising lambs at birth.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I haven't bothered to read most of this thread simply because knowing what I know of people, it's been nothing but argumentative WHAGARBLLL anyhow. So why am I posting? I'm glad you asked.

I haven't celebrated Christmas since I was a teenager and I turn 40 on my next birthday. Not for religious reasons (although they now align), but more so because Christmas to most people means JACK SQUAT other than a reason to decorate the house and rack up credit card debt. No thanks. But, now that I've studied and found out about the origins of Christmas and how they are HIGHLY questionable, I feel even better about disregarding the observance of the official holiday. I do enjoy the couple days off of work though, so that's nice.

P.S. any attempt to debate me about the origins of the holiday will be ignored, so save your energy. Toodles!

Why would anyone attempt to debate such an "intellectual" statement? We obviously would be outclassed in any debate.

 

[Wgw]

I have provided numerous evidence, but it is not accepted because it goes against your beliefs. My old post from a year back with everything it in was removed because someone was offended by it, so Im not going to the trouble of putting all that back together again just for you to deny obvious. But anyone who does non biased research will see that Xmas and Easter are based of pagan customs. They might not be pagan now, but they are based on former pagan holidays, just repacked.

If you provided evidence, you did not do so in any recent post; please kindly repost it so as to allow me to evaluate it.

All you have to do is google "Pagan origins of Christmas or Easter" and the results will go for 10-20 pages and sadly the majority of those pages are agreeing with each other with credible sources and can easily debunk just about every claim that has been made here to justify them.

The reverse is also true. Literally, that proves nothing. I can Google "Moon landing is a hoax" and the results will go for thousands of pages, but that doesn't mean Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin did not set forth upon the face of Luna.

 

[civilwarbuff]

But maybe during the night they would normally be back at the ranch rather than out in the field unless there was some unusual reason like raising lambs at birth.

Not sure they had "ranches" back then.....

 

[Vine and Branches]

That was their repeated experience though of the sheep herders when it came to night herding.

Their jobs were to herd, they kept track of them nearly 24/7. They herded in the day and also in the night. I see what you mean by them taking extra precautions for newborn sheep, but they always herded.

 

[rakovsky]

Their jobs were to herd, they kept track of them nearly 24/7. They herded in the day and also in the night. I see what you mean by them taking extra precautions for newborn sheep, but they always herded.

In the repeated experience of the shepherds cited, the sheep only stay out away from home in the fields when the lambs are being born because they cant be brought back and forth from the field.
If you respond to them: "No, you are always herding", then you are just denying their own claims of themselves.

 

[Vine and Branches]

In the repeated experience of the shepherds cited, the sheep only stay out away from home in the fields when the lambs are being born because they cant be brought back and forth from the field.
If you respond to them: "No, you are always herding", then you are just denying their own claims of themselves.

But that contradicts what you said? You said they stay with the newborn sheep? Also, I fail to see how this red herring proves your point about December 25? Even if he was born on Dec. 25, Christmas is known to come from pagan roots if you look it up without bias.

 

[civilwarbuff]

I have never herded (that's not a word is it?) sheep in my life but what I know of sheep is that they are pretty dumb and defenseless which is why the shepherd always needed to be around....to protect and lead them. That is why I believe we, as believers, are referred to as sheep....because we are dumb and easily led astray and defenseless against evil....unless we have Messiah as our shepherd....who watches over us 24/7.

 

[Vine and Branches]

I have never herded (that's not a word is it?) sheep in my life but what I know of sheep is that they are pretty dumb and defenseless which is why the shepherd always needed to be around....to protect and lead them. That is why I believe we, as believers, are referred to as sheep....because we are dumb and easily led astray and defenseless against evil....unless we have Messiah as our shepherd....who watches over us 24/7.

Exactly, the arguments are not even that good. You literally need to reach a lot to claim Yeshua was born on Dec. 25, right on a pagan deity's birthday. YHWH always does things on his holy days, why would he bring Yeshua into the world on a pagan day?

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

If you provided evidence, you did not do so in any recent post; please kindly repost it so as to allow me to evaluate it.



The reverse is also true. Literally, that proves nothing. I can Google "Moon landing is a hoax" and the results will go for thousands of pages, but that doesn't mean Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin did not set forth upon the face of Luna.

Actually, there is video on NASA'a website of one of the Mars mission engineers that saying that they have to figure out how to get a human beyond the Van Allen radiation belt... inadvertently deflating the original moon missions possibility.

But that another story for another time....

 

[civilwarbuff]

YHWH always does things on his holy days, why would he bring Yeshua into the world on a pagan day?

Since God owns all days is there some reason He would not chose a "pagan" day just to demonstrate his power and authority over all?