Why does God allow us to suffer?

[joshua 1 9]

Agreed, apart from the almost all the universe which is so big and distant we also have to work hard to invent massive instrumentation to study that. Now putting instruments into deep space because Earth is too dirty and noisy to give them the peaceful quiet that they need (that aided by liquid helium, to stop relatively warm atoms moving too much!)

The macro Universe is still mostly energy. There is very little real substance in this universe. Although there does seem to be quite a bit of age.

 

[Chris B]

Although there does seem to be quite a bit of age.

And if that's not genuine age then someone has done an awful lot of stage-dressing to give that appearance.

 

[joshua 1 9]

And if that's not genuine age then someone has done an awful lot of stage-dressing to give that appearance.

The amazing part is how simple it all is for the most part. A lot of the math could be done at a fairly elementary level. Most people somehow manage to figure out how to use a GPS. Of course we do not know that light has always traveled at the speed of light but it is a fairly safe bet that it has.

 

[bhsmte]

The amazing part is how simple it all is for the most part. A lot of the math could be done at a fairly elementary level. Most people somehow manage to figure out how to use a GPS. Of course we do not know that light has always traveled at the speed of light but it
is a fairly safe bet that it has.

This has what to do with the post you responded to?

 

[Locutus]

No, because debate is actually the result of bad religious dogma, The apostle paul said that debate is the result of heresy. Not in those exact words, but thats pretty much what he meant

That's nice for Paul, but the dude was a cranky loner who lived on a flat earth. Not exactly someone I'm likely to take any life coaching from.

Religious debate is just the conversation that theists wouldn't let us have for 2000 years. It's loooooong overdue, and isn't going away. It's liable to get louder, in fact.

 

[Extraneous]

That's nice for Paul, but the dude was a cranky loner who lived on a flat earth. Not exactly someone I'm likely to take any life coaching from.

Religious debate is just the conversation that theists wouldn't let us have for 2000 years. It's loooooong overdue, and isn't going away. It's liable to get louder, in fact.

Ok. You think what you're saying is anything new? No sir.

1 Corinthians 2:6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 However, as it is written:

“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”—
the things God has prepared for those who love him—
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.[c] 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,

“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”[d]
But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[Extraneous]

God has set us free from needing to explain anything. We dont speak the same language. Its folly to try speaking to someone who doesn't understand your words. It matters not whether you agree, or not. It changes nothing and is nothing new either.

 

[Chris B]

God has set us free from needing to explain anything. We dont speak the same language. Its folly to try speaking to someone who doesn't understand your words. It matters not whether you agree, or not. It changes nothing and is nothing new either.

If true, I'm not sure whether that's more horrible or more sad.
We arrive at a second Babel, where communication is again impossible, with different tribes having their own language, incomprehensible to others?

I've seen hints in various places, but had not yet had it pegged down as a certainty.

 

[Extraneous]

If true, I'm not sure whether that's more horrible or more sad.
We arrive at a second Babel, where communication is again impossible, with different tribes having their own language, incomprehensible to others?

I've seen hints in various places, but had not yet had it pegged down as a certainty.

God has confused mans wisdom, it seems. Mankind tries to use his own logic and reason to communicate, and to fix the world, yet its all futile. Look at politics for example. People think they are actually fixing things but they only make it worse, and only cause each other so much grief as well. They don't even see this either, and they are convinced that they are making progress.

 

[Extraneous]

I believe that the old saying is true-

"The more things change, the more they stay the same."

 

[Chris B]

God has confused mans wisdom, it seems. Mankind tries to use his own logic and reason to communicate, and to fix the world, yet its all futile. Look at politics for example. People think they are actually fixing things but they only make it worse, and only cause each other so much grief as well. They don't even see this either, and they are convinced that they are making progress.

And those inside any particular movement* are confident that they are the exception to the rule.
There's a near inevitability to that, and a symmetry as well.
Each can see clearly what none of the others can.
As they see it.

* I can't think of many exceptions, off-hand, except for those who can see the different fortified towers going up, but without clear means of doing much about it. The language and philosophy necessary is being frozen out..?
Confident beliefs and positions that need no explanation or are beyond such. <shudders>


"God has confused mans wisdom, it seems."
If so, then conflict is being deliberately created.
At least humanity need not take the blame in this scenario, though that is cold comfort.

 

[Extraneous]

And those inside any particular movement* are confident that they are the exception to the rule.
There's a near inevitability to that, and a symmetry as well.
Each can see clearly what none of the others can.
As they see it.

* I can't think of many exceptions, off-hand, except for those who can see the different fortified towers going up, but without clear means of doing much about it. The language and philosophy necessary is being frozen out..?
Confident beliefs and positions that need no explanation or are beyond such. <shudders>


"God has confused mans wisdom, it seems."
If so, then conflict is being deliberately created.
At least humanity need not take the blame in this scenario, though that is cold comfort.

You dont see what im saying. It doesnt matter what they think either. Spiritual understanding is still spiritual understanding. If they dont understand then it doesnt matter, because trying to make them understand is still just as futile. You can try, maybe some will understand, but in the end if they dont understand then its not required to prove anything. In that way we are free from needing to prove anything. IOW, why fret about it, if its futile anyway? Does it change what i know is true, if others dont see it? No.

 

[Locutus]

Ok. You think what you're saying is anything new? .

No. Where did I suggest that?

 

[Locutus]

Spiritual understanding is still spiritual understanding. If they dont understand then it doesnt matter, because trying to make them understand is still just as futile.

what is 'spiritual understanding'? how do you, personally, differentiate such from an ordinary desire for something to be true?

 

[Locutus]

God has confused mans wisdom, it seems.

why would a god do that?

 

[Locutus]

God has set us free from needing to explain anything. We dont speak the same language. Its folly to try speaking to someone who doesn't understand your words. It matters not whether you agree, or not. It changes nothing and is nothing new either.

But I do understand your words, Extraneous. The problem is that you're making assertions and referencing your 'feelings', without giving clear definitions and explanations.

 

[Extraneous]

what is 'spiritual understanding'? how do you, personally, differentiate such from an ordinary desire for something to be true?

I really dont need to explain it to you, because it would be futile. I have tried, but i cant keep trying to speak a language you cant understand.

 

[Extraneous]

why would a god do that?

The answer is in the scripture i posted.

 

[Extraneous]

But I do understand your words, Extraneous. The problem is that you're making assertions and referencing your 'feelings', without giving clear definitions and explanations.

I'll tell you in a different way. The answer is simple. You see, the problem is that k*&^jh&%, and also @#$JHUI*&^JHBB^, however *#fki)#)&^), Njhshdbgg.

Understand now?

 

[Extraneous]

what is 'spiritual understanding'? how do you, personally, differentiate such from an ordinary desire for something to be true?

Well, $*#d ^bhu* &7453. D)#bh@6 gh**, g73sb&*^?