Habilis Wonders: How Squirrels Survive Noah's Flood With No Trees After?

[AV1611VET]

Your question assumes that Noah's "flood" was world wide.

Yes, indeed.

And I answered accordingly.

There is no evidence that is was.

God did a good job cleaning up the mess, didn't He?

Noah's flood was caused by the eruption of Thera at Santorini and the resultant storms and tidal wave only affected the Mediterranean basin.

I'm sure the Flood caused a lot of eruptions as the "fountains of the deep" broke forth on the earth.

Thera at Santorini, whatever that was, had nothing on contributing to the Flood.

 

[AV1611VET]

Habilis questions young earth science making scientific claim.

What is "young earth science," and how does it differ from Egyptian (worldly) science today; which, by the way, is a mundane, latter-day, veiled attempt at a return to witchcraft?

If miracles invoked, no longer province of science.

Kay wrecked!

Now you're getting it!

Also, if miracle happens, even this should leave physical imprint on world.

I'll agree with that.

But we'd have to know how the world was before the Flood for reference, before we discuss physical imprints.

If flood miracle, imprint left makes perfect picture of an old, slowly evolving earth.

Then it must not be imprints you're looking at.

Habilis thanks you for reply.

AV1611VET thanks you for your questions!

Respects views.

Uh-huh.

We'll see.

 

[AV1611VET]

This possible. However, Habilis questions worldwide flood theory. Not have problem with local flood.

Most people don't.

Science smokers today having a problem with a local flood is like Voodoo practitioners having a problem with zombies.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sarah is very much humored by this role playing.

So is AV1611VET.

I like this guy.

She wonders how long homohabilis117 can keep it up before they are annoyed by it.

Depends on if the replies reinforce their behavior or not, and whether they're looking for reinforcement.

Sarah also comments that homohabilis117's manner of making inqueries is still more coherent than some people manage when using their natural diction.

His spelling and word choices tell me he's no ignorant Troglodyte.

 

[Widlast]

There was an Egypt before the "flood", yes? Full of live Egyptians.

There was an Egypt after the "flood", yes? Still full of very live Egyptians.

Proof positive that Egypt was not destroyed in any flood.

Had the world been cleaned of all humans but 8 on a boat, there would be no:

Egyptians
Africans
Chinese
Mongolians
Australian Aborigines
New Guinea natives
Native Americans
etc, etc, etc, etc

Also, the carnivores would have wiped out practically all herbivores within a month of the ark coming to rest.
Since, at least in reality, herbivores need to outnumber and outbreed carnivores to keep from getting eaten out of existence.
Your beliefs are based on personal beliefs, not evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

There was an Egypt before the "flood", yes?

No.

The Egyptians came from Noah's grandson, Mizraim.

Genesis 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

 

[Edmond Smith]

Beliefs do not require evidence that's why the are called 'faiths', if there was evidence 'faith' would not be required.

America is paying a heavy price for allowing creationism to take hold as it has, education should have stopped it a long time ago, in communities all freedoms should be allowed except one, ignorance, ignorance should never be allowed to flourish or it will eventually destroy the community from within, like children some people need to be protected from themselves..

Your statement isn't quite true.
You see, Christianity is a falsifiable. The truth of Christianity rests on the resurrection of Jesus. If it could be demonstrated that Jesus did not physically rise from the dead, then Christianity would be proven false - which means Christianity is falsifiable. All that would be necessary is to produce the body of Christ. If it could be verified that a corpse, in this case bones, could be unearthed that was from the time and location of Jesus' life, and the bones contained crucifixion wounds, and if there were documents in the tomb with the body that stated that in was Jesus, the worker of miracles, who claimed to be the son of God, then that would greatly shake my faith. Why? Because Christianity is based upon facts, upon actual historical events and if those events can be proven to be false, then Christianity is false.
So, because there is evidence to Prove the existence of Christ and the starting of Christianity beliefs are based on facts and evidence with Faith. You can't have one without the other.

 

[Widlast]

No.

The Egyptians came from Noah's grandson, Mizraim.

Genesis 10:6 And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan.

Just about every "biblical" historian puts Noah's flood around 2350 B.C..
Egypt begins with Pharaoh Narmer who, at the end of the 4th millennium, in about 3100 B.C., unified Egypt.

Egyptians were running around loose long before Noah was born.
You might want to read some actual history occasionally.

 

[AV1611VET]

You might want to read some actual history occasionally.

Here's another FYI:

The Chinese you mentioned came from Noah's great-grandson.

Genesis 10:17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,

 

[Widlast]

Here's another FYI:

The Chinese you mentioned came from Noah's great-grandson.

Genesis 10:17 And the Hivite, and the Arkite, and the Sinite,

Not hardly. You may have noticed that the Chinese (and Asians in general) are genetically different than Semites.
Not to mention that Chinese culture was already well developed long before Noah's flood.
The Chinese culture goes back to before 7600 B.C..

Again, try reading some HISTORY.

 

[Edmond Smith]

Just about every "biblical" historian puts Noah's flood around 2350 B.C..
Egypt begins with Pharaoh Narmer who, at the end of the 4th millennium, in about 3100 B.C., unified Egypt.

Egyptians were running around loose long before Noah was born.
You might want to read some actual history occasionally.

Your right, they were.
But then came the flood.
Then came Noah's family.

 

[Edmond Smith]

Not hardly. You may have noticed that the Chinese (and Asians in general) are genetically different than Semites.
Not to mention that Chinese culture was already well developed long before Noah's flood.
The Chinese culture goes back to before 7600 B.C..

Again, try reading some HISTORY.

Again, your right
They were there, then the flood, then came Noah's blood line.
But remember, we all agree that man changes over time, that adaptation is possible and maybe even necessary.
Unless you were there to see exactly how Noah's descendants looked like, you can't really say that their different.
Nether you nor anyone else, has that genetic information.

 

[roamer_1]

Hello, dis Habilis here. Habilis has question that he wants ask about young earth creationism: how squirrels survive in post flood environment? All trees dead. Seeds take maybe 10, or 15 years regrow. Squirrels die. Habilis thanks for responses.
*chews manioc*

Who says all trees died?
Who says there were squirrels (each according to it's kind)?

 

[Papias]

Again, your right
They were there, then the flood, then came Noah's blood line.
But remember, we all agree that man changes over time, that adaptation is possible and maybe even necessary.
Unless you were there to see exactly how Noah's descendants looked like, you can't really say that their different.
Nether you nor anyone else, has that genetic information.

Actually, we do have that genetic information. We have tons of samples from people from thousands of years ago, including before the supposed flood.

Before the flood, they show clearly different groups of people in different areas - native Americans in the Americas, Asians in china, Europeans in Europe, Africans in Africa, and so on. Then, right after the supposed "flood", we see the same types of DNA, in the same areas described above - as if the flood didn't happen.

That's the opposite of what we'd see if the flood had happened, since suddenly, at ~2500 BC, the old pattern would vanish, and after that all people would have very similar DNA, all being descendants of Noah.

DNA alone shows that the flood myth didn't actually happen. Many other pieces of evidence also show that the flood could not have happened. Many more can be found here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

Many of those were known 200 years ago. That's why Christian geologists scrapped the idea of an actual flood decades before anyone had heard of Darwin.

In Christ-

Papias

P. S. Gotta "hand it" to the handy man - impressive show! Let's give him a hand..... : )

 

[AV1611VET]

Not hardly.

Yes, hardly.

You may have noticed that the Chinese (and Asians in general) are genetically different than Semites.

No kidding!?

The Chinese come from Ham ... not Shem.

Again, try reading some HISTORY.

And also FYI, the Native Americans come from Shem.

 

[AV1611VET]

Again, your right

No, he's not.

The Chinese come from Ham, not Shem.

 

[Widlast]

Who says all trees died?
Who says there were squirrels (each according to it's kind)?

There is no tree species in existence that can survive 40 days plus of inundation with salt or brackish water.

Had the flood happened as the literalists believe:
all plant species that do not have seeds that can survive extended periods of soaking in salt or brackish water would be extinct
(which is all but a couple of dozen)
most sea creatures and all fresh water fish would be extinct, invertebrates cannot tolerate low salt levels or heavy silting and most fish species cannot tolerate wild fluctuations in salinity either

You matter how you try to dance around the issue, there is lots of evidence AGAINST a world wide flood.

 

[Widlast]

Yes, hardly.No kidding!?

The Chinese come from Ham ... not Shem.
And also FYI, the Native Americans come from Shem.

The Bible says nothing of the sort. You make it up as you go along to suit your own mythology.

 

[roamer_1]

There is no tree species in existence that can survive 40 days plus of inundation with salt or brackish water.

We had a beaver dam kill a bunch of trees - Killed them dead, for over a year... It was the dead trees that alerted us to the dam. Knocked out the dam, and the following spring, the trees started growing again. The trunk was fine. The larger branches were fine. Lesser branches were dead. And btw, the grasses came back immediately too.

And your assumption of brackish water is not necessarily true.

 

[Widlast]

We had a beaver dam kill a bunch of trees - Killed them dead, for over a year... It was the dead trees that alerted us to the dam. Knocked out the dam, and the following spring, the trees started growing again. The trunk was fine. The larger branches were fine. Lesser branches were dead. And btw, the grasses came back immediately too.

And your assumption of brackish water is not necessarily true.

What happens when you mix salt water (oceans) with fresh water (rain)? you get brackish water.
It's one thing to have a tree buried in inches of fresh water, it's another to have trees buried in thousands of feet of brackish water. The pressure alone would kill most things.

Not that there is enough water in existence on the planet to flood it to the mountain tops.