Evolution Promotes Brutality

[TLK Valentine]

What biblical scholars told you TK that Paul was homosexual? The general consensus is that Paul definitely did not like women. No question about that. However, I have yet to hear any biblical scholar arguer he was homosexual.

Nobody "told" me or anyone else that he was homosexual... but they have considered the possibility and raised the question.

And to say that he didn't like women is something of an understatement. He didn't like himself all that much, and was constantly at war with his own "flesh..." it's enough to cause some less-than-wild speculation.

There are several out there; here's an section from one of my personal favorites, John Shelby Spong:

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2004/04/Was-The-Apostle-Paul-Gay.aspx

Paul felt tremendous guilt and shame, which produced in him self-loathing. The presence of homosexuality would have created this response among Jewish people in that period of history. Nothing else, in my opinion, could account for Paul's self-judging rhetoric, his negative feeling toward his own body, and his sense of being controlled by something he had no power to change. The war that went on between what he desired with his mind and what he desired with his body, his drivenness to a legalistic religion of control, his fear when that system was threatened, his attitude toward women, his refusal to seek marriage as an outlet for his passion-nothing else accounts for this data as well as the possibility that Paul was a gay male.

Even if you disagree -- and I'm sure you do -- it's worth a read.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Chuck Missler
David Mainse
John Ankerberg
Bob Larson
Chuck Swindoll
Josh McDowell
Ken Ham
Kent Hovind
My pastor -- who has two doctorates

I see your point: You really will hear just about anything from those yahoos...

 

[AV1611VET]

Having feelings beyond your control for which both your God and your countrymen say you should be put to death for would certainly put one off living...

Get the phone.

NAMBLA is calling.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Get the phone.

NAMBLA is calling.

I suspect they'd be more interested in your pastor than in me.

 

[AV1611VET]

... and was constantly at war with his own "flesh..."

If people don't have cognitive dissonance now and then, perhaps they need a spiritual checkup?

The closer one walks with God, the more unworthy they should feel.

 

[Extraneous]

What biblical scholars told you TK that Paul was homosexual? The general consensus is that Paul definitely did not like women. No question about that. However, I have yet to hear any biblical scholar arguer he was homosexual.

Wow. If thats true then i see that perhaps the Lord is indeed leading me in the right direction...away from bible scholars. Paul did not hate woman, he loved all Christians, and he had woman helping in him in his ministry. With respect, i must say this, if thats the consensus then it is ignorant of truth, and showing a severe lack of discernment.

 

[AV1611VET]

I suspect they'd be more interested in your pastor than in me.

If so, it would be for a different reason.

My pastor preaches victory over sin.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If people don't have cognitive dissonance now and then, perhaps they need a spiritual checkup?

The closer one walks with God, the more unworthy they should feel.

Your high opinion of yourself, then, speaks volumes.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Wow. If thats true then i see that perhaps the Lord is indeed leading me in the right direction...away from bible scholars. Paul did not hate woman, he loved all Christians, and he had woman helping in him in his ministry. With respect, i must say this, if thats the consensus then it is ignorant of truth, and showing a severe lack of discernment.

Right -- because Paul loved women, thought they should take positions in the church, and was even a staunch supporter of marriage...

...or are we talking about another Paul?

 

[TLK Valentine]

If so, it would be for a different reason.

My pastor preaches victory over sin.

They all do before they get caught.

 

[Extraneous]

Right -- because Paul loved women, thought they should take positions in the church, and was even a staunch supporter of marriage...

...or are we talking about another Paul?

Yes we are, and i must say you are talking about things that you dont quite understand.

 

[AV1611VET]

Right -- because Paul loved women, thought they should take positions in the church, and was even a staunch supporter of marriage...

...or are we talking about another Paul?

Was Mother Teresa a homosexual?

 

[AV1611VET]

They all do before they get caught.

We're all looking forward to getting caught -- caught away.

 

[Extraneous]

We're all looking forward to getting caught -- caught away.

Amen.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yes we are, and i must say you are talking about things that you dont quite understand.

I can understand why you must say that... dogma is a powerful force.

I'm guessing that your Paul wasn't wracked with self-loathing, or felt himself a victim of forces he couldn't control... at least not until he found Jesus...

 

[TLK Valentine]

Was Mother Teresa a homosexual?

I would have to examine her writings before I could speculate on what might have been in her mind.

 

[TLK Valentine]

We're all looking forward to getting caught -- caught away.

Got anything to add beyond meaningless doggerel?

 

[VirOptimus]

Was Mother Teresa a homosexual?

No idea, and wouldnt really care, but she was probably not a nice person.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa

 

[AV1611VET]

No idea, and wouldnt really care, but she was probably not a nice person.

Isn't she a saint?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Isn't she a saint?

No, but there's a movement to make her one.

If she was homosexual, would that somehow stop her from becoming a saint?