Bill Nye the Science Guy and Creationism

[tiglathpileser]

It is rather amazing how some give their God credit only for the good when it is rather obvious that he has to be responsible for the bad in the world too.

And it is rather amazing that those who pontificate that God does not exist blame him for all sorts of things. How can anyone who doesn't exist do anything?

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

And evolution is dishonesty and dogma. If you really understood the evidence, you would not be an evolutionist.

Embryology, comparative anatomy, fossil record, genetic drift, DNA and genetics, nested hierarchy, geographic distribution of species, experiments in the lab and in nature. Several independent scientific disciplines that all come to the same conclusion. "Evolutionist" is a strawman making it seem like a religious faith....it's not. It's the foundation of biology that you either understand or you don't.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes if one wants to be a science guy.

What is it like; to be like Dawkins?

 

[bhsmte]

It doesn't matter at all if you are not interested in the truth.

What truth?

Can you demonstrate it?

 

[bhsmte]

So all the millions of people who must have prayed and pleaded to heal their loved one with polio or other terrible diseases don't count as crying out for help?

Or, how about the 9 million children who die each year before the age of five?

I bet there are a whole bunch of prayers to save those children.

 

[bhsmte]

We can not function independent of God. We are dependent upon Him.

Positive claim, prove it.

 

[tiglathpileser]

Embryology, comparative anatomy, fossil record, genetic drift, DNA and genetics, nested hierarchy, geographic distribution of species, experiments in the lab and in nature. Several independent scientific disciplines that all come to the same conclusion. "Evolutionist" is a strawman making it seem like a religious faith....it's not. It's the foundation of biology that you either understand or you don't.

And it seems that atheists and evolutionists don't understand it as they keep resorting to the "God does not exist" baloney without any evidence. When your faith is based on non evidential claims it only goes to show that you know very little about what you are claiming so you resort to a fallacy.

 

[bhsmte]

Another typical response by atheists when they have to answer an intelligent question or comment. Heard it all before and it is so boring and outdated it is silly in the extreme.

I know, reality bites, doesn't it?

 

[lasthero]

Why should I do your homework?

What homework?

It's your claim. The burden is on you to support it.

 

[bhsmte]

What homework?

It's your claim. The burden is on you to support it.

He isn't big on supporting his claims.

 

[Subduction Zone]

God accepts full responsibility for the good and the evil that is in the world. For those who walk with God He will cause all things to work out for the best for them. If people are living in rebellion then for them life will continue to go from bad to worse.

Since I doubt if your God exists I don't see how he can do this. The problem of course is not your God, but his followers. They do not blame God for the evil that he did and credits him with all of the good.

And you can't rebel against that which does not exist. Try a little logic when you are debating with others. It really helps.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He isn't big on supporting his claims.

Creationists never are.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And it seems that atheists and evolutionists don't understand it as they keep resorting to the "God does not exist" baloney without any evidence. When your faith is based on non evidential claims it only goes to show that you know very little about what you are claiming so you resort to a fallacy.

No one was claiming that that was evidence against God. The theory of evolution is no more "anti-God" than the theory of gravity is or any other scientific theory. All scientific theories are God neutral. In fact worldwide it seems that more Christians accept the theory of evolution than reject it. There was no fallacy in his post nor was there an attack on gods.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

And it seems that atheists and evolutionists

Again, there is no such thing as 'evolutionists'. Are there also gravityists?

And it seems that atheists and evolutionists don't understand it as they keep resorting to the "God does not exist" baloney without any evidence.

Nobody is making the claim that "God does not exist". We are rejecting your claim that a God does exist. You aren't allowed to shift the burden of proof when making a positive claim. That's a logical fallacy. Burden of proof remains in your lap.

When your faith is based on non evidential claims it only goes to show that you know very little about what you are claiming so you resort to a fallacy.

Evolution has an overwhelming amount of evidence from many independent lines of study. There is no fallacy here except your strawman and shifting the burden of proof.

 

[tiglathpileser]

Again, there is no such thing as 'evolutionists'. Are there also gravityists?



Nobody is making the claim that "God does not exist". We are rejecting your claim that a God does exist. You aren't allowed to shift the burden of proof when making a positive claim. That's a logical fallacy. Burden of proof remains in your lap.



Evolution has an overwhelming amount of evidence from many independent lines of study. There is no fallacy here except your strawman and shifting the burden of proof.

Point one. If you want to be pedantic go right ahead.

Point two. No of course not just a few thousand atheists who constantly say that God doesn't exist.

Point three. Of course evolution has an overwhelming amount of evidence, most of which has been debunked as the invention of the anti God brigade and in most cases it is invented by those who have turned it into a philosophical argument by those who insist that God does not exist as Christopher Hitchens admitted at the International Atheists conference in my home town.

Even the secular media were at a loss why most of the conference was devoted to discussing God. They were hoping to learn a bit more about atheism.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Point two. No of course not just a few thousand atheists who constantly say that God doesn't exist.

There is a difference between saying "I do not believe in God" and "There is no God" I don't think you'll find many atheists who state the latter. Asking someone to disprove God is a fallacy. It's like me asking you to disprove fairies exist.

Point three. Of course evolution has an overwhelming amount of evidence, most of which has been debunked as the invention of the anti God brigade and in most cases it is invented by those who have turned it into a philosophical argument

It hasn't been falsified. It's the foundation of biology and the understanding of it has advanced modern medicine.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/medicine_01

Evolution makes no claims for the existence of God and the majority of Christians accept the theory of evolution. It's the whose who take the bible literally that have to reject demonstrable facts.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Point one. If you want to be pedantic go right ahead.

Point two. No of course not just a few thousand atheists who constantly say that God doesn't exist.

Sorry, you don't even know what atheism is. And why do you keep conflating atheism and evolution? Most Christians accept the simple fact that life evolved. Just as most Christians accept that the Earth is roughly spherical in shape.

Point three. Of course evolution has an overwhelming amount of evidence, most of which has been debunked as the invention of the anti God brigade and in most cases it is invented by those who have turned it into a philosophical argument by those who insist that God does not exist as Christopher Hitchens admitted at the International Atheists conference in my home town.

Wrong again. None of the evidence for the theory of evolution has been debunked. And once again, you really need to learn what atheism is.

Even the secular media were at a loss why most of the conference was devoted to discussing God. They were hoping to learn a bit more about atheism.

I must have missed something coming into the middle of the conversation. What conference are you talking about?

 

[tiglathpileser]

There is a difference between saying "I do not believe in God" and "There is no God" I don't think you'll find many atheists who state the latter. Asking someone to disprove God is a fallacy. It's like me asking you to disprove fairies exist. It hasn't been falsified. It's the foundation of biology and the understanding of it has advanced modern medicine. http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/medicine_01

Evolution makes no claims for the existence of God and the majority of Christians accept the theory of evolution. It's the whose who take the bible literally that have to reject demonstrable facts.

Point 1. I have heard this said so many times that it has become boring. My experience is that most atheists say that God does not exist. Until you can prove that is not the case, my argument stands. Asking someone to disprove God is not a fallacy. It is a valid question and has nothing at all to do with fairies because I have yet to meet ANYONE who believes they exist except little children.

Point 2. Berkeley is a university that is dedicated to pushing the evolution wheelbarrow so it is not an independent source of information and therefore worthless.

Point 3. That is right. Evolution denied the existence of God. The MAJORITY of christians accept the theory of evolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you have the gift of exaggeration?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Point 1. I have heard this said so many times that it has become boring. My experience is that most atheists say that God does not exist. Until you can prove that is not the case, my argument stands. Asking someone to disprove God is not a fallacy. It is a valid question and has nothing at all to do with fairies because I have yet to meet ANYONE who believes they exist except little children.

And yet when you get down to it there is no real difference between believing in fairies and theism. Also I have my doubts about what atheists have told you. You probably misheard them by running their statements through your flawed version of theology.

Point 2. Berkeley is a university that is dedicated to pushing the evolution wheelbarrow so it is not an independent source of information and therefore worthless.

No, they base all of their work upon the scientific method. If you can demonstrate otherwise then you could make that claim. Until you do so all you are doing is making a false accusation against your neighbor. There may be a Commandment against that.

Point 3. That is right. Evolution denied the existence of God. The MAJORITY of christians accept the theory of evolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you have the gift of exaggeration?

How does the theory of evolution deny the existence of God? The weak explanation that it goes against your concept of God is not good enough. You need to show that somehow the theory of evolution denies the existence of God. Actually at the very worst all that evolution does is to tell you how that God created this Earth. I am quite often rather amazed at how creationists are so set on telling their God how he created this Earth. Isn't that a bit arrogant on the part of those creationists?

Edit: I missed that you doubted the fact that most Christians accept the theory of evolution. The U.S. is not the only country with Christians in it. Look at the acceptance of the theory of evolution in Europe. The Catholic church, the worlds biggest single denomination has not problem with the theory of evolution. It seems that creationism is mostly a U.S. disease.

 

[Hoghead1]

Tiglath, if you are arrogant enough to state that you are so much smarter that all these scientists, know more about nature than modern "evolutionists" do, then you better have some pretty incredible evidence. So, where is your evidence?